THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

[Eddie Ramos]

It's interesting that this is another widely held doctrine by Christians, yet no one has ever put forth an actual age from the scriptures where children are not accountable for their sins. The fact is that when God looks at a human being, he looks at their heart and sees either righteousness or unrighteousness. If righteousness, then that means that Christ's atoning work has been applied to your life. At which point he has given that person a new and perfect heart that is free from sin, and has raised their dead soul to eternal life. If God sees unrighteousness in their heart, then it means that Christ's atoning work has not (or not yet) been applied to that individual and that individual is still in his or her sins. This applies from the moment of conception.

Psalm 51:5 (KJV 1900)
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity;
And in sin did my mother conceive me.

Can something conceived in sin be pure and clean in the eyes of God? The Bible says, no.

Job 14:4 (KJV 1900)
Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.

So, how does God view a child conceived and still unsaved? The same way he views a grown up who is still unsaved, as wicked.

Psalm 58:3 (KJV 1900)
The wicked are estranged from the womb:
They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Most will say, "babies can't speak, so this can't be referring to babies". Yet this is parabolic language (as is the whole Bible) which is speaking of the spiritual condition (as viewed by God) of mankind who was yet in his sins.

When the Bible as a whole is taken into acount, it absolutely contradicts and therefore rejects such doctrine of any age of accountability. But why then was it invented? Because it was build upon another false doctrine, the free will doctrine which states that a person must make an informed choice if he is going to accept Christ. And since babies can't do that, they had to find a way to make them exempt. But this goes to show what happpens when someone tries to build upon a crooked foundation, everything else they build on that foundation will also be crooked.

My question for anyone who hold to this doctrine is, can you show me how the scriptures you use to support such doctrine agree witht he above Bible verses provided? Because if we isolate passages from the Bible as a whole, then we can make them say anything we want.

[myth-one.com]

You are no longer talking about the OP anymore and wanting to change the subject, soooo who's actually dodging? You have now included EVERYONE'S accountability. That is whole other ball of wax.

Aren't infants within the ball of wax called everyone?

That is, if all are accountabile, aren't infants therefore accountable?

[2timothy316]

You are no longer talking about the OP anymore and wanting to change the subject, soooo who's actually dodging? You have now included EVERYONE'S accountability. That is whole other ball of wax.

Aren't infants within the ball of wax called everyone?

That is, if all are accountabile, aren't infants therefore accountable?

No. In this thread infants are not in the ball of wax. Its the point of the thread, that some believe there is an age where they become part of the ball of wax. What you want to talk about is everyone, which is not about the separation of children.

[myth-one.com]

You are no longer talking about the OP anymore and wanting to change the subject, soooo who's actually dodging? You have now included EVERYONE'S accountability. That is whole other ball of wax.

Aren't infants within the ball of wax called everyone?

That is, if all are accountabile, aren't infants therefore accountable?

No. In this thread infants are not in the ball of wax. Its the point of the thread, that some believe there is an age where they become part of the ball of wax. What you want to talk about is everyone, which is not about the separation of children.

Here is scriptural justification for the age of accountability theology under the original covenant between God and the Israelites:

Sin is the transgression of God's laws, or commandments:

For sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4)

However, for a sin to be imputed, or counted against someone, that someone must first recognize that the act is a sin:

To him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. (James 4:17)

For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. (Romans 5:13)

Babies do not understand the law, and are not imputed with any sin until they do understand the law.

So the age of accountability for anyone person would be the age at which they understood that disobeying the commandments of God was a sin.

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But the above justification is a moot point under the New Testament Covenant, as sin no longer affects any human's salvation:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

Infants are humans.

Feel free to count sins against babies or not. So it's a moot point.

[onewithhim]

You are no longer talking about the OP anymore and wanting to change the subject, soooo who's actually dodging? You have now included EVERYONE'S accountability. That is whole other ball of wax.

Aren't infants within the ball of wax called everyone?

That is, if all are accountabile, aren't infants therefore accountable?

Of course not! They don't have the ability to reason, until they are older. Therefore they won't be held accountable for any sin they may innately have in their DNA.

[myth-one.com]

You are no longer talking about the OP anymore and wanting to change the subject, soooo who's actually dodging? You have now included EVERYONE'S accountability. That is whole other ball of wax.

Aren't infants within the ball of wax called everyone?

That is, if all are accountabile, aren't infants therefore accountable?

Of course not! They don't have the ability to reason, until they are older. Therefore they won't be held accountable for any sin they may innately have in their DNA.

In regards to salvation, neither will any adult be held accountable:

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

[onewithhim]

You are no longer talking about the OP anymore and wanting to change the subject, soooo who's actually dodging? You have now included EVERYONE'S accountability. That is whole other ball of wax.

Aren't infants within the ball of wax called everyone?

That is, if all are accountabile, aren't infants therefore accountable?

Of course not! They don't have the ability to reason, until they are older. Therefore they won't be held accountable for any sin they may innately have in their DNA.

In regards to salvation, neither will any adult be held accountable:

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

One is still accountable, as an adult. Paul taught us that even the anointed little flock that were bound for heaven could fall away, so it's pretty clear that they were accountable for their actions and beliefs.

"For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left.."(Hebrews 10:26)

[myth-one.com]

You are no longer talking about the OP anymore and wanting to change the subject, soooo who's actually dodging? You have now included EVERYONE'S accountability. That is whole other ball of wax.

Aren't infants within the ball of wax called everyone?

That is, if all are accountabile, aren't infants therefore accountable?

Of course not! They don't have the ability to reason, until they are older. Therefore they won't be held accountable for any sin they may innately have in their DNA.

In regards to salvation, neither will any adult be held accountable:

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

One is still accountable, as an adult. Paul taught us that even the anointed little flock that were bound for heaven could fall away, so it's pretty clear that they were accountable for their actions and beliefs.

"For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left.."(Hebrews 10:26)

Correct. But sin no longer determines our salvation.

[onewithhim]

You are no longer talking about the OP anymore and wanting to change the subject, soooo who's actually dodging? You have now included EVERYONE'S accountability. That is whole other ball of wax.

Aren't infants within the ball of wax called everyone?

That is, if all are accountabile, aren't infants therefore accountable?

Of course not! They don't have the ability to reason, until they are older. Therefore they won't be held accountable for any sin they may innately have in their DNA.

In regards to salvation, neither will any adult be held accountable:

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

One is still accountable, as an adult. Paul taught us that even the anointed little flock that were bound for heaven could fall away, so it's pretty clear that they were accountable for their actions and beliefs.

"For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left.."(Hebrews 10:26)

Correct. But sin no longer determines our salvation.

I don't understand what you mean.

[myth-one.com]

. . . sin no longer determines our salvation.

I don't understand what you mean.

The only path to everlasting life under the New Testament Covenant is to believe in Jesus as our Savior:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

This everlasting life which we believers shall receive is described as a gift in the book of Romans:

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

And there is only one requirement from us who which to receive that gift. That one requirement is to believe in Jesus.

The word "sin" is never mentioned.

The wages of sin is still death, and all of us have sinned except for Jesus. Thus all of us, except for Jesus are headed for the second death.

But prior to the second death, those who believe in Jesus are to be given everlasting life. Thus death is not a possibility for Christians:

He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. (Revelation 2:11)

Sinful deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life in the first resurrection, which occurs at the Second Coming :

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6)

There is no sin that can disqualify one from receiving the gift of everlasting life promised to those who believe in Jesus! Here's how God inspired it to be written:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #69]

In other scriptures it is plain that believers have to DO something, to live up to their belief.

"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16, NASB)

"In every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him." (Acts 10:35, NASB)

"So, then, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven. First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds." (Acts 26:19,20, NIV)

So believers must prove their belief and repentance by their works.

"The demons believe and yet shudder." (James 2 :1-20, NASB)