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12 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service. 13 Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 14 The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
1) So Saul was a top Jew and would never blaspheme against YHWH.

Historical Background: Saul (later Paul) was a Pharisee of the strictest sect, born a Roman citizen but raised in the Jewish tradition of Tarsus. He studied directly under Gamaliel, the grandson of Hillel and one of the most revered rabbis in the Sanhedrin (Acts 22:3; cf. Acts 5:34-39). Gamaliel's school emphasized meticulous Torah observance, and Saul describes himself as "advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers" (Galatians 1:14, emphasis added).
Zeal Against "Blasphemy": As a Pharisee, Saul's mission was to purge Israel of anything that could defile the covenant or dishonor YHWH. Blasphemy was the ultimate Jewish taboo—punishable by stoning (Leviticus 24:16; cf. the trial of Jesus in Mark 14:64). Saul hunted perceived blasphemers: "I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death... I went to foreign cities to imprison many... I cast my vote against them when they were put to death" (Acts 26:10-11; cf. Acts 8:1-3; 9:1-2). He saw himself as God's enforcer, breathing "threats and murder against the disciples" (Acts 9:1).
Key Implication: A man like Saul would never intentionally blaspheme YHWH. His actions were the opposite: hyper-vigilant defense of God's honor. If he thought he was serving God, he couldn't have been blaspheming—unless his target wasn't just a "false messiah" but God incarnate.

2) Paul's Post-Conversion Confession—"I Was Once a Blasphemer" (1 Timothy 1:13)
The Text in Context: In 1 Timothy 1:12-14, Paul thanks Christ for his mercy, then pivots to his past: "Even though I was once a blasphemer (blasphēmos) and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly..."This isn't casual regret; it's a radical re-evaluation. Paul isn't confessing generic sins—he's using loaded Jewish terminology. Blasphēmia in the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament) and rabbinic thought always targets God directly: cursing His name, attributing evil to Him, or rejecting His revelation (e.g., Numbers 15:30; 2 Kings 19:4).
Cross-reference Acts 9:4-5 (Saul's Damascus Road encounter): Jesus asks, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" Saul's reply—"Who are you, Lord?"—reveals the divine identity. Jesus identifies as the one Saul is attacking.

3) The Twist: As Saul, he believed he was honoring YHWH by crushing the "Nazarene sect" (Acts 24:5). But now, he sees those actions as blasphemy against God. Why? Because the early church's message was that Jesus is YHWH's divine presence (e.g., Jesus' claims in John 8:58; 10:30). Persecuting Christians = persecuting the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27), which Paul now equates with assaulting God Himself.

4)The Paradox Resolved: How could a Gamaliel-trained Pharisee blaspheme without knowing it? Only if his "zeal" was misdirected at the wrong target—God Himself in the person of Jesus. Paul isn't saying he slandered YHWH's name verbally; he's saying his violent opposition to Jesus was, in truth, reviling the divine Son. This mirrors Jesus' warning: "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven" (Matthew 12:32). Paul's ignorance (v. 13) echoes this—his "unbelief" blinded him to Jesus' deity.

How could a devout, elite Pharisee like Saul—trained under Gamaliel, fiercely zealous for the honor of YHWH, and utterly committed to stamping out anything he saw as blasphemy against God—ever describe his own past actions as blasphemy (1 Timothy 1:13)?He wasn't casually sinning or attacking some random group. As Saul, he believed he was defending God's name by persecuting Christians—breathing threats and murder against them (Acts 9:1), approving their executions (Acts 26:10), and hunting them to foreign cities. A man of his background and training would never knowingly blaspheme YHWH; that was the very crime he was trying to eradicate!So how can Paul, looking back, honestly call himself a 'blasphemer' unless the one he was actually opposing—Jesus—was God Himself?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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[Replying to tam in post #60]

So, are you saying that you disagree with the Apostle John, @tam, in that verse? If so, why?

Joh 5:18  This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. 

And with these verses saying that he is the Word involved in creation who was God and that he took on humanity with his deity?

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....
Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. 

As the Son, Jesus kept full deity, while at the same time, he became fully human. These are mysterious truths. Why can't you accept the mysteries, @tam? If you have to reason them all out, why?

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Peace to you,
BruceLeiter wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 5:00 pm [Replying to tam in post #60]

So, are you saying that you disagree with the Apostle John, @tam, in that verse? If so, why?
I do not disagree with the disciple Christ loved. I'm not sure what makes you think I did.
Joh 5:18  This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. 
Do you think Christ broke the Sabbath?


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[Replying to tam in post #57]
tam wrote:Christ is Jaheshua - but He is not "Almighty" God (YHWH.)

He is the Holy One OF God. But God - (the God and Father of Christ) - is the MOST Holy One.
So much for your opinion, Tammy. Let the 'small still voice' spirit being have his day in court, what did he exactly say to you regarding his identity, so far?
tam wrote:Christ is the Son of God.

Peter said it. The disciple Christ loved wrote it. Christ confirmed it.

Also in Revelation - the Son of God (Christ) is speaking. You accept that passage - that Christ is speaking - because you have previously tried to give 'reasons' why He might not have meant what He said (that these are the words of the Son of God.)

But if Christ were not the Son of God, that would mean that He misled John and all who were meant to read those letters. That is what you are suggesting - even if you do not realize it.
Peter is long gone and he can no longer teach or couch you in this regard, Tammy dear! The bible too is not God and Christ; hence, what your doing is simply expressing your opinion on biblical passages.
tam wrote: Either you heard wrong or you were taught wrong.

Son of God is not a 'role' - Christ is the true and actual Son of God (the God and Father of Christ.
You were not with us when the Lord have shepherded us, you're either guessing or lying in accusing me of having heard and taught wrongly, unless you got something from the 'small still voice' spirit being refuting what I'm saying about Christ.
tam wrote: Did the Son of God speak those words? Yes - "These are the words of the Son of God..." Then the Son of God proceeds to speak. "I know your deeds..."
Did this occur after His death and resurrection? Yes.
Is Christ the Truth? Yes.
Does He speak what is true? Yes.

What could you possibly answer no to from those questions?
Again, you're narrating and interpreting biblical passages, forgetting the fact that the bible is not the Lord Jesus Christ. Let the 'small still voice' spirit being come to your rescue in this matter, Tammy!

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[Replying to tam in post #62]

He intentionally broke the added rules that the Pharisees made up to control the people, not the actual Sabbath rules in the Old Testament, @tam, like the rules they added about healing on the Sabbath (for example, John 9 with the healing of the man born blind, who was thrown out of the synagogue for defending Jesus).

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Peace to you,
BruceLeiter wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 10:57 pm [Replying to tam in post #62]

He intentionally broke the added rules that the Pharisees made up to control the people, not the actual Sabbath rules in the Old Testament, @tam, like the rules they added about healing on the Sabbath (for example, John 9 with the healing of the man born blind, who was thrown out of the synagogue for defending Jesus).
Okay then.

So even though you say/quote here that He was breaking the Sabbath, this does not mean that He actually was breaking the Sabbath:
This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
The author of "John" is simply summarizing what the Jews said/believed (even if untrue.)

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Peace to you,
OneJack wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 8:33 pm [Replying to tam in post #57]
tam wrote:Christ is Jaheshua - but He is not "Almighty" God (YHWH.)

He is the Holy One OF God. But God - (the God and Father of Christ) - is the MOST Holy One.
So much for your opinion, Tammy.


This is not my opinion.

My Lord does not teach that He is God (YHWH.)

He has a name of His own (Jaheshua.) He is the Holy One of God. His Father is the Most Holy One.

In the same way that the Temple (the physical temple) has a Holy Place and a Most Holy Place.

No one could enter the Most Holy Place without first coming through the Holy Place.

Just as no one comes to the Father (the Most Holy One) except through the Son (the Holy One.)

Even in the verses you like to quote and accept as being true (Isaiah 9:6) - Christ is called Mighty God. It is His Father who is the ALMIGHTY God.

tam wrote:Christ is the Son of God.

Peter said it. The disciple Christ loved wrote it. Christ confirmed it.

Also in Revelation - the Son of God (Christ) is speaking. You accept that passage - that Christ is speaking - because you have previously tried to give 'reasons' why He might not have meant what He said (that these are the words of the Son of God.)

But if Christ were not the Son of God, that would mean that He misled John and all who were meant to read those letters. That is what you are suggesting - even if you do not realize it.
Peter is long gone and he can no longer teach or couch you in this regard, Tammy dear! The bible too is not God and Christ; hence, what your doing is simply expressing your opinion on biblical passages.
I gave no opinion on those passages, OneJack. I simply quoted them.

You have accepted those passages (certainly enough to comment on them) - but since they do not support your claims, it just looks like you are looking for a way to dismiss them.

tam wrote: Either you heard wrong or you were taught wrong.

Son of God is not a 'role' - Christ is the true and actual Son of God (the God and Father of Christ.
You were not with us when the Lord have shepherded us, you're either guessing or lying in accusing me of having heard and taught wrongly, unless you got something from the 'small still voice' spirit being refuting what I'm saying about Christ.
Of course I have learned from my Lord that He is the Son of God.

tam wrote: Did the Son of God speak those words? Yes - "These are the words of the Son of God..." Then the Son of God proceeds to speak. "I know your deeds..."
Did this occur after His death and resurrection? Yes.
Is Christ the Truth? Yes.
Does He speak what is true? Yes.

What could you possibly answer no to from those questions?
Again, you're narrating and interpreting biblical passages, forgetting the fact that the bible is not the Lord Jesus Christ.
You didn't answer the question.

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tam wrote: Sun May 03, 2026 12:07 am Peace to you,
OneJack wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 8:33 pm [Replying to tam in post #57]
tam wrote:Christ is Jaheshua - but He is not "Almighty" God (YHWH.)

He is the Holy One OF God. But God - (the God and Father of Christ) - is the MOST Holy One.
So much for your opinion, Tammy.


This is not my opinion.

My Lord does not teach that He is God (YHWH.)

He has a name of His own (Jaheshua.) He is the Holy One of God. His Father is the Most Holy One.

In the same way that the Temple (the physical temple) has a Holy Place and a Most Holy Place.

No one could enter the Most Holy Place without first coming through the Holy Place.

Just as no one comes to the Father (the Most Holy One) except through the Son (the Holy One.)

Even in the verses you like to quote and accept as being true (Isaiah 9:6) - Christ is called Mighty God. It is His Father who is the ALMIGHTY God.

tam wrote:Christ is the Son of God.

Peter said it. The disciple Christ loved wrote it. Christ confirmed it.

Also in Revelation - the Son of God (Christ) is speaking. You accept that passage - that Christ is speaking - because you have previously tried to give 'reasons' why He might not have meant what He said (that these are the words of the Son of God.)

But if Christ were not the Son of God, that would mean that He misled John and all who were meant to read those letters. That is what you are suggesting - even if you do not realize it.
Peter is long gone and he can no longer teach or couch you in this regard, Tammy dear! The bible too is not God and Christ; hence, what your doing is simply expressing your opinion on biblical passages.
I gave no opinion on those passages, OneJack. I simply quoted them.

You have accepted those passages (certainly enough to comment on them) - but since they do not support your claims, it just looks like you are looking for a way to dismiss them.

tam wrote: Either you heard wrong or you were taught wrong.

Son of God is not a 'role' - Christ is the true and actual Son of God (the God and Father of Christ.
You were not with us when the Lord have shepherded us, you're either guessing or lying in accusing me of having heard and taught wrongly, unless you got something from the 'small still voice' spirit being refuting what I'm saying about Christ.
Of course I have learned from my Lord that He is the Son of God.

tam wrote: Did the Son of God speak those words? Yes - "These are the words of the Son of God..." Then the Son of God proceeds to speak. "I know your deeds..."
Did this occur after His death and resurrection? Yes.
Is Christ the Truth? Yes.
Does He speak what is true? Yes.

What could you possibly answer no to from those questions?
Again, you're narrating and interpreting biblical passages, forgetting the fact that the bible is not the Lord Jesus Christ.
You didn't answer the question.

Peace again.
Let the ‘small still voice’ spirit being speaks for himself, Tam. So much for your biblical passages.

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OneJack wrote: Sun May 03, 2026 1:19 am
tam wrote: Sun May 03, 2026 12:07 am Peace to you,
OneJack wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 8:33 pm [Replying to tam in post #57]
tam wrote:Christ is Jaheshua - but He is not "Almighty" God (YHWH.)

He is the Holy One OF God. But God - (the God and Father of Christ) - is the MOST Holy One.
So much for your opinion, Tammy.


This is not my opinion.

My Lord does not teach that He is God (YHWH.)

He has a name of His own (Jaheshua.) He is the Holy One of God. His Father is the Most Holy One.

In the same way that the Temple (the physical temple) has a Holy Place and a Most Holy Place.

No one could enter the Most Holy Place without first coming through the Holy Place.

Just as no one comes to the Father (the Most Holy One) except through the Son (the Holy One.)

Even in the verses you like to quote and accept as being true (Isaiah 9:6) - Christ is called Mighty God. It is His Father who is the ALMIGHTY God.

tam wrote:Christ is the Son of God.

Peter said it. The disciple Christ loved wrote it. Christ confirmed it.

Also in Revelation - the Son of God (Christ) is speaking. You accept that passage - that Christ is speaking - because you have previously tried to give 'reasons' why He might not have meant what He said (that these are the words of the Son of God.)

But if Christ were not the Son of God, that would mean that He misled John and all who were meant to read those letters. That is what you are suggesting - even if you do not realize it.
Peter is long gone and he can no longer teach or couch you in this regard, Tammy dear! The bible too is not God and Christ; hence, what your doing is simply expressing your opinion on biblical passages.
I gave no opinion on those passages, OneJack. I simply quoted them.

You have accepted those passages (certainly enough to comment on them) - but since they do not support your claims, it just looks like you are looking for a way to dismiss them.

tam wrote: Either you heard wrong or you were taught wrong.

Son of God is not a 'role' - Christ is the true and actual Son of God (the God and Father of Christ.
You were not with us when the Lord have shepherded us, you're either guessing or lying in accusing me of having heard and taught wrongly, unless you got something from the 'small still voice' spirit being refuting what I'm saying about Christ.
Of course I have learned from my Lord that He is the Son of God.

tam wrote: Did the Son of God speak those words? Yes - "These are the words of the Son of God..." Then the Son of God proceeds to speak. "I know your deeds..."
Did this occur after His death and resurrection? Yes.
Is Christ the Truth? Yes.
Does He speak what is true? Yes.

What could you possibly answer no to from those questions?
Again, you're narrating and interpreting biblical passages, forgetting the fact that the bible is not the Lord Jesus Christ.
You didn't answer the question.

Peace again.
Let the ‘small still voice’ spirit being speaks for himself, Tam. So much for your biblical passages.
You're still not answering the questions.

And Jack, you came on this forum and used biblical passages. Then when someone points out that you are using them incorrectly, you accuse them of thinking the bible is God or [Jesus].

You also write what you claim you heard - not from Christ or from God - but from another human being whom you claim God spoke through. So you heard the audible words of another human being - then you write those down and post them on this forum. How is that different (or even better) for anyone here than the testimonies in the NT from some who heard Christ speaking firsthand?

You also say that no one (including you) can hear 'Jesus' true voice and live? So when you tell people they have to go listen to him - what exactly are they to hear, and how?

**

On the other hand, Christ said Himself, "My sheep hear my voice." He did not say ' my sheep hear a 'manifested' voice coming from another person.' He (the Truth, the Word of God) says that His sheep hear HIS voice.

That is my experience and my testimony. He speaks Himself. His sheep do hear His voice. Just as He said.


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tam wrote: Sun May 03, 2026 11:40 am
OneJack wrote: Sun May 03, 2026 1:19 am
tam wrote: Sun May 03, 2026 12:07 am Peace to you,
OneJack wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 8:33 pm [Replying to tam in post #57]
tam wrote:Christ is Jaheshua - but He is not "Almighty" God (YHWH.)

He is the Holy One OF God. But God - (the God and Father of Christ) - is the MOST Holy One.
So much for your opinion, Tammy.


This is not my opinion.

My Lord does not teach that He is God (YHWH.)

He has a name of His own (Jaheshua.) He is the Holy One of God. His Father is the Most Holy One.

In the same way that the Temple (the physical temple) has a Holy Place and a Most Holy Place.

No one could enter the Most Holy Place without first coming through the Holy Place.

Just as no one comes to the Father (the Most Holy One) except through the Son (the Holy One.)

Even in the verses you like to quote and accept as being true (Isaiah 9:6) - Christ is called Mighty God. It is His Father who is the ALMIGHTY God.

tam wrote:Christ is the Son of God.

Peter said it. The disciple Christ loved wrote it. Christ confirmed it.

Also in Revelation - the Son of God (Christ) is speaking. You accept that passage - that Christ is speaking - because you have previously tried to give 'reasons' why He might not have meant what He said (that these are the words of the Son of God.)

But if Christ were not the Son of God, that would mean that He misled John and all who were meant to read those letters. That is what you are suggesting - even if you do not realize it.
Peter is long gone and he can no longer teach or couch you in this regard, Tammy dear! The bible too is not God and Christ; hence, what your doing is simply expressing your opinion on biblical passages.
I gave no opinion on those passages, OneJack. I simply quoted them.

You have accepted those passages (certainly enough to comment on them) - but since they do not support your claims, it just looks like you are looking for a way to dismiss them.

tam wrote: Either you heard wrong or you were taught wrong.

Son of God is not a 'role' - Christ is the true and actual Son of God (the God and Father of Christ.
You were not with us when the Lord have shepherded us, you're either guessing or lying in accusing me of having heard and taught wrongly, unless you got something from the 'small still voice' spirit being refuting what I'm saying about Christ.
Of course I have learned from my Lord that He is the Son of God.

tam wrote: Did the Son of God speak those words? Yes - "These are the words of the Son of God..." Then the Son of God proceeds to speak. "I know your deeds..."
Did this occur after His death and resurrection? Yes.
Is Christ the Truth? Yes.
Does He speak what is true? Yes.

What could you possibly answer no to from those questions?
Again, you're narrating and interpreting biblical passages, forgetting the fact that the bible is not the Lord Jesus Christ.
You didn't answer the question.

Peace again.
Let the ‘small still voice’ spirit being speaks for himself, Tam. So much for your biblical passages.
You're still not answering the questions.

And Jack, you came on this forum and used biblical passages. Then when someone points out that you are using them incorrectly, you accuse them of thinking the bible is God or [Jesus].

You also write what you claim you heard - not from Christ or from God - but from another human being whom you claim God spoke through. So you heard the audible words of another human being - then you write those down and post them on this forum. How is that different (or even better) for anyone here than the testimonies in the NT from some who heard Christ speaking firsthand?

You also say that no one (including you) can hear 'Jesus' true voice and live? So when you tell people they have to go listen to him - what exactly are they to hear, and how?

**

On the other hand, Christ said Himself, "My sheep hear my voice." He did not say ' my sheep hear a 'manifested' voice coming from another person.' He (the Truth, the Word of God) says that His sheep hear HIS voice.

That is my experience and my testimony. He speaks Himself. His sheep do hear His voice. Just as He said.


Peace again to you.
When we speak of biblical passages, we are expressing our respective opinions, which only the Lord Jesus can say which one is correct and which ones are not, or worse, no one is correct. I have posted many messages from the Lord Jesus Christ, but you can't recognize them simply because you don't know the Lord Jesus Christ, nor have you heard anything from Him. Until now, you can't post anything, verbatim, that you've heard and learned from the 'small still voice' spirit being that continues to deceive you with lies about the Lord Jesus, who is Christ. You don't know that for anyone to be able to hear Christ, the latter uses vessel/s to speak with anyone, any time, and anywhere He wishes to, so that death may not occur to the hearer. But you're too pushy to force your way into the truth via your interpretation of what Jesus said, 'my sheep hear my voice,' which happened when the Lord Jesus Christ was still manifesting in the flesh, a fact that seems to have escaped your mind. How would death strike the listeners to the Lord when He was in His manifested status in the flesh? The reason why the Son of God was crucified is the fact that he was a man, yet he claimed he is Christ, the Father, the Almighty God, the Messiah, the Life, the Way, the Resurrection, the Truth, and so on, attributes that belong only to the Almighty God. Lastly, you've witnessed nothing of what the Lord has done to us; hence, all you're saying and accusing us of is nothing but sour grapes and an opinion too far from the truth.

Give the 'small still voice' spirit being his day in court, Tammy dear! It's high time for you to give yourself a day off, let him do the job this time, will you?

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Peace again,
OneJack wrote: Sun May 03, 2026 9:18 pm
tam wrote: Sun May 03, 2026 11:40 am
OneJack wrote: Sun May 03, 2026 1:19 am
tam wrote: Sun May 03, 2026 12:07 am Peace to you,



This is not my opinion.

My Lord does not teach that He is God (YHWH.)

He has a name of His own (Jaheshua.) He is the Holy One of God. His Father is the Most Holy One.

In the same way that the Temple (the physical temple) has a Holy Place and a Most Holy Place.

No one could enter the Most Holy Place without first coming through the Holy Place.

Just as no one comes to the Father (the Most Holy One) except through the Son (the Holy One.)

Even in the verses you like to quote and accept as being true (Isaiah 9:6) - Christ is called Mighty God. It is His Father who is the ALMIGHTY God.




I gave no opinion on those passages, OneJack. I simply quoted them.

You have accepted those passages (certainly enough to comment on them) - but since they do not support your claims, it just looks like you are looking for a way to dismiss them.




Of course I have learned from my Lord that He is the Son of God.




You didn't answer the question.

Peace again.
Let the ‘small still voice’ spirit being speaks for himself, Tam. So much for your biblical passages.
You're still not answering the questions.

And Jack, you came on this forum and used biblical passages. Then when someone points out that you are using them incorrectly, you accuse them of thinking the bible is God or [Jesus].

You also write what you claim you heard - not from Christ or from God - but from another human being whom you claim God spoke through. So you heard the audible words of another human being - then you write those down and post them on this forum. How is that different (or even better) for anyone here than the testimonies in the NT from some who heard Christ speaking firsthand?

You also say that no one (including you) can hear 'Jesus' true voice and live? So when you tell people they have to go listen to him - what exactly are they to hear, and how?

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On the other hand, Christ said Himself, "My sheep hear my voice." He did not say ' my sheep hear a 'manifested' voice coming from another person.' He (the Truth, the Word of God) says that His sheep hear HIS voice.

That is my experience and my testimony. He speaks Himself. His sheep do hear His voice. Just as He said.


Peace again to you.
When we speak of biblical passages, we are expressing our respective opinions, which only the Lord Jesus can say which one is correct and which ones are not, or worse, no one is correct.
Why are you giving others a hard time for posting their opinions when you are doing the same thing yourself?
Until now, you can't post anything, verbatim,
I have shared things on this forum that my Lord said to me. I even shared some with you.
You don't know that for anyone to be able to hear Christ, the latter uses vessel/s to speak with anyone, any time, and anywhere He wishes to, so that death may not occur to the hearer.
This is not true.

Christ said - as you, yourself, have agreed - 'My sheep listen to my voice."

His voice.

And...
But you're too pushy to force your way into the truth via your interpretation of what Jesus said, 'my sheep hear my voice,' which happened when the Lord Jesus Christ was still manifesting in the flesh, a fact that seems to have escaped your mind.


He also said that He had more sheep to call, and they TOO would hear His voice. Something that would continue AFTER His death, resurrection, and ascension.

See here:

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

Now that was said after His death, resurrection, and ascension.

He was not in the form of a man when He spoke there. But He was still speaking about people hearing His voice.

The reason why the Son of God was crucified is the fact that he was a man, yet he claimed he is Christ, the Father, the Almighty God, the Messiah, the Life, the Way, the Resurrection, the Truth, and so on, attributes that belong only to the Almighty God.


This doesn't make sense. Israel did not believe the Christ/Messiah was God. The Jews did not believe the Messiah was God. The word itself (Messiah) mean Chosen One of JAH.

How then can the Messiah be JAH? The Messiah is the Chosen One OF JAH.
- Non-religious Christian spirituality

- For Christ (who is the Spirit)

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