The Atonement

[Revelations won]

To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".

Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?

What does the atonement do or does not do?

What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?

What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?

Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?

I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.

Kind regards,
RW

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #609]

In Heb 10:14 how were they said to be perfected forever ?

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Prior to the New Testament, sin was the determining factor in the gaining of everlasting life.

But forgiveness of sin lasted only until the commission of one's next sin.

Under the New Testament, sin no longer controls our salvation.

The gift of everlasting life offered to believers under the New Testament Covenant perfected the process in that it lasts forever. We are saved from that point forward forever.

We are not constantly seeking atonement from our most recent sin -- as sin does not control our salvation as it did under the original covenant.

So our salvation is perfected, protected, and guaranteed forever!

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #611]

one more time:

In Heb 10:14 how were they said to be perfected forever ?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #611]

one more time:

In Heb 10:14 how were they said to be perfected forever ?

Here is how God explained it:

Hebrews 10 King James Version

10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

[Brightfame52]

Christ's One Offering Sanctified forever those He died for !

Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Yes, The writer is writing to Believers, however that [believing] is not how they became sanctified forever, which was solely by means of the Sacrifice or Offering of the Body of Jesus Christ, which means by His Death !

This is a Great Blessing of the Death of Christ, all for whom He died, once and for all, set them apart !

The word sanctified here is the greek word hagiazō and means:


to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow

2) to separate from profane things and dedicate to God

a) consecrate things to God

b) dedicate people to God

3) to purify

a) to cleanse externally

b) to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin

c) to purify internally by renewing of the soul

Please understand that Christ's Death is also the cause of internal renewing of the soul or as Paul writes it Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Christ's Death alone is the Sole Cause of this renewing of the Holy Ghost, for that is why when He ascended on High upon completion of His Death Work, the Father gave Him the Holy Spirit to pour upon all them He died for and to ensure their experimental sanctification by the Spirit. Here is where He receives the Holy Ghost scripture says Acts 2:33

Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he [Christ] hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

This shed forth of the Holy Ghost is taught by Paul also Here Titus 3:5-6

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Thats why those jews on the day of Pentecost asked for spiritual instruction from hearing Peter's sermon Acts 2, their asking that question showed that they had been renewed by the Holy Ghost, which Christ just had shed forth ! 8

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #613]

You must be scared to answer.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #613]
You must be scared to answer.

The question: In Heb 10:14 how were they said to be perfected forever ?

I gave you my answer in my words, and I gave you God's explanation in His words. And you accepted neither!

You are simply seeking someone who agrees with whatever your explanation is.

That answer apparently won't come from me or God.

Good luck.

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #616]

You scared.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #616]

You scared.

Of what?

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #616]

You scared.

Of what?

Answering a simple question. I asked you according to Heb 10:14

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

How were they perfected forever , and you give a whole bunch of talk. The answer is in the verse, 3-4 words !

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #616]

You scared.

Of what?

Answering a simple question. I asked you according to Heb 10:14

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

How were they perfected forever , and you give a whole bunch of talk. The answer is in the verse, 3-4 words !

Back in posting #611, I gave you the simple answer to your simple question in simple language which I thought you might understand. Verses 3-4 confirm my answer. Here it is again:

Prior to the New Testament, sin was the determining factor in the gaining of everlasting life.

But forgiveness of sin lasted only until the commission of one's next sin.

Under the New Testament, sin no longer controls our salvation.

The gift of everlasting life offered to believers under the New Testament Covenant perfected the process in that it lasts forever. We are saved from that point forward forever.

We are not constantly seeking atonement from our most recent sin -- as sin does not control our salvation as it did under the original covenant.

So our salvation is perfected, protected, and guaranteed forever!