The Atonement

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To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".

Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?

What does the atonement do or does not do?

What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?

What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?

Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?

I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.

Kind regards,
RW

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To all respondents,

We all should rememberer that the mighty infinite and eternal atonement by Jesus the Christ was a gift to all mankind. The giver of the gift has fulfilled his task to the fullest. This precious gift has been fully given.

All mortals have the God given gift of agency wherein they have the power to act and not be acted upon.

We are the ones who must qualify to receive and apply this gift which requires faith and repentance on our part.

Putting it bluntly, if we so choose to repent NOT, then we forfeit the mighty blessings of the gift.

We are free to choose, but are not free to choose the consequences.

Kind regards,
RW

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[Replying to Revelations won in post #641]

This isnt biblical truth !

[Revelations won]

Dear Brightfame52,


I posted: "To all respondents,

We all should rememberer that the mighty infinite and eternal atonement by Jesus the Christ was a gift to all mankind. The giver of the gift has fulfilled his task to the fullest. This precious gift has been fully given.

All mortals have the God given gift of agency wherein they have the power to act and not be acted upon.

We are the ones who must qualify to receive and apply this gift which requires faith and repentance on our part.

Putting it bluntly, if we so choose to repent NOT, then we forfeit the mighty blessings of the gift.

We are free to choose, but are not free to choose the consequences.

Kind regards,
RW"


You said: "[Replying to Revelations won in post #641]

This isnt biblical truth !"

My response: Apparently it appears that you must reject the fact that mankind has the agency to either accept or reject the gift of the atonement for sin provided by Jesus Christ.

Can you give a detailed list that demonstrates my post is not biblical truth?

Kind regards,
RW

[Brightfame52]

Draws All Men unto Him !

Jn 12:32

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

An effect or accomplishment of Christ's Death is that all for whom He died shall be saved by Him, shall believe in Him !

All the men that come to Him, just as it is written before in Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Which drawing results in their coming to Him as in Matt 11:28 and Jn 12:32, and so all who come, and the promise to such who do, is that Christ shall raise him up in the last day. Now what does Christ mean that , He shall raise them up at the last ? I believe He is speaking about for them the resurrection of the Just Acts 24:15. So now, if one forces Jn 12:32 to mean, that Christ died for all men without exception and He will draw them all unto Him, then the reasonable conclusion is that all men without exception that have died before the Second Coming shall be raised up in the resurrection of the Just, which means Universalism is True, and Eternal Punishment and Damnation is False, and neither is their a Resurrection of the Unjust which Paul did Teach ! 8

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It is quite apparent that God's People, those whom Christ died for and accomplished for them the forgiveness of their sins Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission or forgiveness of sins.

And hence God shall remember their iniquities [in a way of Justice] no more Heb 8:12

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

It is clear that they are not the same people whom shall remain in Mystery Babylon, the false religions of the world, whom God hath remembered [in judgment and justice] and condemnation their iniquties per Rev 18:4-5

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

All such people Christ did not die for them for the remission of their sins ! 8

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The Purifying effects of the Blood of Christ !

Many in mans religion sing the song:

There is pow’r, pow’r, wonder-working pow’r
In the blood of the Lamb;
There is pow’r, pow’r, wonder-working pow’r
In the precious blood of the Lamb.

Yet they do this merely in a form of godliness, and they deny the actual Power therein 2 Tim 3:5

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Yes they deny the power of Christ's blood, and exalts mans freewill in its stead, since many as they tell it that Christ died for, shed His Blood for do not experience its powerful effects, because they reject it with their freewill ! However scripture is quite clear that the offering of Christ [His Blood] had a sanctifying and purifying effect for all He offered Himself in behalf of, just as it's type, the offerings of bulls and goats had an external effect as stated here Heb 9:13

For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

BUT the Sacrifice of Himself, the Antitype, His Blood effects inner purification Heb 9:14

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Christ's Blood by means of the Eternal Spirit, does actually purify the conscience, which is a inner faculty of man, it has to do with the inner soul of a man, but which the animal sacrifices lacked ability to accomplish Heb 9:9

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Now all who sing the song, Power in the Blood, and yet deny its purifying effects, their testimony is that of 2 Tim 3:5, you actually deny the power thereof ! You have only a form of Godliness, an empty profession, for you deny the power of True Religion which is in Christ's Blood ! You deny a True accomplishment of the Atonement that is in Christ's Blood !8

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It begins a Purifying process !

Christ, His Blood, or His Offering begins for each person He died for a Purifying process which the Holy Spirit shall apply to them at an appointed hour in their life, which begins with their New Birth or what is called also the Sanctification of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

So we have the writer of Hebrews writing these Heb 10:10;14-18

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

In other words, those who were being sanctified experientially , was the effect of the one Offering of Christ that Perfected them forever !

Those who are made perfect legally by the Offering of Christ, are those who have the Gospel and its Spiritual Message Communicated to them 1 Cor 2:6-7

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

The Perfect are those who can understand the Wisdom and Mystery of the Gospel they spoke among them ! For the Gospel is a Mystery Eph 6:19-20

And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

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Shall die to sin and shall live unto God !

One of the sure results of the purpose of Christ's Death for all for whom He died is this 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

It is then, we know that Christ's stripes alone healed us spiritually !

Now who are the subjects of this great healing spiritually of Christ's stripes or His Death ? None but the Elect of God as Per 1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Which are those who have been begotten again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

This begetting again produced a New Life unto God, for the greek word here for begotten again is anagennaō and means:


to produce again, be born again, born anew

2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

Now you see how one for whom Christ dies, how that results in a Life that lives unto God !

Now if this is not the effect produced for each and everyone Christ died for 1 Pet 2:24, then His Death for them failed God's Purpose ! 9

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Col 1:22 To present Holy and Unblamable !

Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:


Another intended purpose for the death of Christ and accomplishment, for all that He died, is to present them Holy, unblameable and unreproveable in His Sight !

Notice it was to present #1 Unblameable ἄμωμος =

without blemish

a) as a sacrifice without spot or blemish

2) morally: without blemish, faultless, unblameable

But thats not all, its to present # 2 unreproveable anegklētos =

that cannot be called into to account, unreproveable, unaccused, blameless

Its the meaning that Paul has in mind here Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Its the same word. You see God never laid any charge to the account of His Elect !

And Holy !

But all this is in His Sight, though it may not be True to experience here in the flesh, nevertheless for Him to see His People like that in His Sight is because of the Imputed Righteousness of Christ laid to their account.

Now if this does not occur for each one He reconciled to God by the Death of His Son Rom 5:10;Col 1:21, then His Death failed God's intended purpose ! 9

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Christ finished the Work God gave Him to do !

Jn 17:1-4

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Christ came to do a work for His Father, and it is a work that He He would be rewarded for Heb 12:2

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

His Reward was that Joy set before Him ! The phrase set before Him is the greek prokeimai which means :


to lie or be placed before (a person or a thing) or in front of

2) to set before

a) to be placed before the eyes, to lie in sight

1) to stand forth

b) to be appointed, destined

c) to be there, be present, be at hand

Its an appointed Joy. Remember Jesus said this Lk 22:29

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;


This Kingdom is the Joy of the Lord Matt 25:21

His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Also the Joy that is His Reward, is the Repentance of each of His Lost Sheep, the Sheep He seeks and finds and saved Lk 15:1-7

Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.

2 And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.

3 And he spake this parable unto them, saying,

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Thats Jesus Reward, for the sinner that repents is evidence of the success of His Work and the Reward of His Work. The Repenting sinners are the rewards that the Father Promised to the Son for the accomplishment of His Work Ps 2:8

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

The word give here also means appoint as here Ezk 45:6

6 And ye shall appoint the possession of the city five thousand broad, and five and twenty thousand long, over against the oblation of the holy portion: it shall be for the whole house of Israel.

Ps 2:8 is the Promised Kingdom appointed of Lk 22:29 and sinners brought into this Kingdom by the Work of Christ are Christ's Reward, His Joy set before Him. This is because He finished the Work the Father gave Him to do !