Christian Salvation?

[POI]

According to the Bible, what minimum qualifications are required for Christian Heavenly salvation?

- Does a stillborn baby receive a free pass?
- Do all deceased children receive a free pass, prior to the age of enlightenment?
- Is it mandatory to believe, worship, and also attempt to follow Hm; while still knowing you will fall short of perfection in your attempts?
- Is some sort of baptism a requirement for salvation?
- Can you lack conviction that God even exists, but still be selected by your judged upon works?
- Must you keep specific Commandments all the time?
- Does blasphemy of the Holy Spirit guarantee damnation, regardless of later repentance of this prior deemed offense (i.e.) the born again Christians might be screwed?
- Are earnest deathbed conversions, by way of belief and repent to the Christian God, enough?
- Must you love God more than you love anyone on earth?
- Can you be a devout believer/follower, but choose not to give away the majority of your wealth to ones more in need than you?
- Can you be saved if you practice monogamous homosexuality until death?

[POI]

Yes, He could, but He could also do it for none... and be perfectly just in doing so. But He does not do it for all, and He does not do it for none. He does it for His Elect, according to His will.

So, the way one receives salvation, is God elects some to become inexorably drawn to Him. And I would assume all the ones He elects, to become inexorably drawn to Him, go to Heaven? And the ones He does not elect, go to hell?

Also, belief is not by your own doing? Belief is given to you?

[POI]

Children who die in their innocent years will make their decision after being resurrected as mortals and reaching maturity following the Second Coming of Jesus. This includes stillborn babies!

Many churches teach that innocent children go immediately to heaven upon their death. This is not the case. The true gospel message that every individual chooses his or her personal fate regardless of their age at death must replace the false message that deceased children go immediately to heaven for eternity.

Looks like you have not provided Bible Verse(s) which answer my question? You answered, based upon hour own interpretation, it seems -- (as quoted above)?

Can you please point to the Verse(s) which support your above assertion?

Absolutely!

Here they are again:

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ ... (Romans 8:16-17)

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For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

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But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept. (I Corinthians 15:20)

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Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (I Thessalonians 4:17)

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Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6)

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But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished . . . (Revelation 20:5)

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And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-15)

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For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. (I Peter 4:5)

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And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:14)

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And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:14)

Thank you again. However, none of these Verses look to facilitate my direct question "do still-borns go to heaven or hell?"

When the still-born is later given a second chance, they are still a still-born, right? You do not become more enlightened, as you rot in your grave, right? If you die, prior to the age of enlightenment, then does God somehow fast-forward these folks to this age of accountability? And if He does, what Verse(s) polarize this assertion?

[POI]

[Replying to POI in post #61]

Sin is sin, regardless how heinous it may or may not be. As Paul says, the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Anyone, regardless of his or her particular sin(s) and the depth thereof may respond to that by repenting and believing on Christ and thus receive this gift. This is very, very clear, and this is what I have always said. So, for good measure:

Sin is sin, regardless how heinous it may or may not be. As Paul says, the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Anyone, regardless of his or her particular sin(s) and the depth thereof may respond to that by repenting and believing on Christ and thus receive this gift.

Grace and peace to you, POI.

If sin is sin, then you are making things yet even more confusing....

We seem to agree that repent involves not willfully and actively doing something again:

If a Christian, at some point in their life, does not give up their homosexuality practices, then they must not truly be repenting.

Or how about...

If a Christian, at some point in their life, does not give up their prostitution practices, then they must not truly be repenting.

Or how about...

If a Christian, at some point in their life, does not give up their lying practices, then they must not truly be repenting.

It's safe to say you will knowingly and willfully lie, to either prevent another self-deemed larger 'sin', or, for some other self-deemed reason(s). Thus, you are NOT being repentful of your lies; IF you admit that sin is sin.

And once you work out this little chestnut, which I don't think you can, we can then explore the other topics of confusion; for which you have presented.(i.e.):

the golden rule, wealth/coveting, belief/faith

[myth-one.com]

Thank you again. However, none of these Verses look to facilitate my direct question "do still-borns go to heaven or hell?"

Please accept my apology.

When the still-born is later given a second chance, they are still a still-born, right? You do not become more enlightened, as you rot in your grave, right? If you die, prior to the age of enlightenment, then does God somehow fast-forward these folks to this age of accountability? And if He does, what Verse(s) polarize this assertion?

I don't think there will be any rush of time. God placed a limit of 120 years on an individual human life. I imagine resurrected human infants will be allowed to grow to maturity before making their decision. That's just my guess. In the Bible, that age is twenty years of age.

Every human who ever lived will choose everlasting life or everlasting death.

So the question becomes the question of whether "stillborns" are considered as humans.

That's another debate, I guess.

But your question cannot be answered by me anyways.

Every human who ever lived will be informed of the good news and make their choice to believe or not believe in Jesus.

No one will be able to know how any particular nonbeliever will decide until they are resurrected and make their choice.

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The Bible implies that we become responsible for actions at the age of twenty.

When the children of Israel rebelled against the commandments of God after departing Egypt, God let them wander in the wilderness so that the sinful adults would die off and not see the Promised Land. However, those who were children and had no knowledge of good and evil were allowed to take possession of the Promised Land:

Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it. (Deuteronomy 1:39)

There is further indication that these "children" were everyone under the age of twenty:

For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people that were men of war, which came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they obeyed not the voice of the lord... (Joshua 5:6)

These "men of war" are defined in the book of Numbers:

From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies. (Numbers 1:3)[/quote]
Waiting that many years for infants to make their choice would be no big deal.

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Our reward is to become members of the Kingdom of God -- not to go to heaven.

Jesus is now in heaven as the Word, and is preparing for us a place. When it's ready, He will return with it. Believers will then reign over the earth with Jesus for ever and ever.

That's not to say that we cannot go to Heaven, but our home base will be the earth.

[POI]

I imagine resurrected human infants will be allowed to grow to maturity before making their decision. That's just my guess.

Okay, the above gets to the heart of my question. Please show me Bible verse(s) which state (a dead infant will later be resurrected and also then allowed to grow to an age of accountability). If you cannot, then I can conclude:

That which can be asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to POI in post #61]
Sin is sin, regardless how heinous it may or may not be. As Paul says, the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Anyone, regardless of his or her particular sin(s) and the depth thereof may respond to that by repenting and believing on Christ and thus receive this gift.

PinSeeker is correct. After Jesus died, sin no longer affects our salvation. All one must do is believe in Jesus as their Savior from the wages of their sins.

John 3:16 doesn't really even mention repenting as being necessary.

However, it's difficult to imagine anyone reaching out to Jesus as their Savior without recognizing that they had sinned and therefore needed salvation. And I think believing and seeking redemption implies the act of repenting.

The problem is that often the sinning/repenting becomes a cycle.

Look at what the apostle Paul wrote:

For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that I do. (Romans 7:15)

Compare that verse with the definition of "compulsion" as used in psychology:

Compulsion: a strong usually irresistible impulse to perform an act that is contrary to the will of the subject.

The "thorn in the flesh" which God gave to Paul may have been some type of compulsive behavior.

If Paul did indeed have a compulsion, then he made a great discovery which is today part of all twelve step rehabilitation programs. That discovery was that he was not sufficiently powerful to stop the behavior on his own. He needed help from a higher authority! Therefore, he prayed to God three times asking that it be removed from him.

I mention this in light of your last question in your Post #1. Some consider that type of conduct as an addiction.

[myth-one.com]

I imagine resurrected human infants will be allowed to grow to maturity before making their decision. That's just my guess.

Okay, the above gets to the heart of my question. Please show me Bible verse(s) which state (a dead infant will later be resurrected and also then allowed to grow to an age of accountability). If you cannot, then I can conclude:

That which can be asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence.

But I already have in Post #64 on Page 7!

Do you have any questions about it?

[POI]

I imagine resurrected human infants will be allowed to grow to maturity before making their decision. That's just my guess.

Okay, the above gets to the heart of my question. Please show me Bible verse(s) which state (a dead infant will later be resurrected and also then allowed to grow to an age of accountability). If you cannot, then I can conclude:

That which can be asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence.

But I already have in Post #64 on Page 7!

Do you have any questions about it?

Yes. Again, I see no provided Verses which alludes to the following assertion (paraphrased) -- "dead infants are later resurrected, and allowed to reach an age of enlightenment, so they may then choose wisely."

Can you please kindly point me to it?

[POI]

[Replying to POI in post #61]
Sin is sin, regardless how heinous it may or may not be. As Paul says, the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Anyone, regardless of his or her particular sin(s) and the depth thereof may respond to that by repenting and believing on Christ and thus receive this gift.

PinSeeker is correct. After Jesus died, sin no longer affects our salvation. All one must do is believe in Jesus as their Savior from the wages of their sins.

John 3:16 doesn't really even mention repenting as being necessary.

Looks like you and pinseeker have some disagreements to iron out He claims you must repent of sin. If "sin is sin", then this means you must repent of all sin. But I find that this is impossible. Pinseeker and I seem to agree that if you actively carry on in a specific sin (i.e.) homosexuality, prostitution, or lying, then you are not truly repenting of that said sin. I've made this evident, by merely bringing up the sin of 'lying' in post 73.

[myth-one.com]

[Pinseeker and I seem to agree that if you actively carry on in a specific sin (i.e.) homosexuality, prostitution, or lying, then you are not truly repenting of that said sin. I've made this evident, by merely bringing up the sin of 'lying' in post 73.

Well, good for you guys!!

So what? How does that affect your salvation?

Here is the requirement for gaining everlasting life:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

If a person actively carries on in a specific sin (i.e.) homosexuality, prostitution, or lying, and they believeth in Jesus as their Savior, then will they be saved under the verse above?