Is Jesus mediator only for the "anointed class" of JWs?

[MissKate13]

If true, then WHO mediates for the rest of the Jehovahs Witnesses?

[Eloi]

The priests in the New Covenant are considered a people by themselves:

1 Pet. 2:9 But you are "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies" of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light."

That is because they are taken apart for a special position in heavens. The function they will do in heavens was done on earth (in a type), but now they will be in another place, not near the rest saved on earth.

There will be not priests on earth in the Millenium; they will be with Jesus while the rest of survivors and resurrected ones will be on earth (Rev. 7:13,14). In Matt. 25:31-46 Jesus talked about both groups:

Matt. 25:37 Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words: Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you? 40 In reply the King will say to them, Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.

Do the religious leaders of Christendom teach that there will be kings and priests in heaven with Jesus, and a greater number of God's servants on earth who will benefit from their reign?

[2timothy316]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #61]
I don't see your point. You kept stressing ALL Israel but ALL Israel were not priest and kings.

But ALL ISRAEL was in the old covenant.

Some of you keep using the fact that Israel had both priests and common people as an example that not all Christians are in the new covenant. But that makes no sense, because all of Israel was in the old covenant - regardless of their status.

What makes no sense is that if ALL Christians are part of the New Covenant then they are to be kings and priest, but who do they rule over? Kings and priest that rule over other kings and priests. It makes no sense. So yes, it is VERY important that I bring out that not all Israelites were kings and priests.

Read Eloi's post above mine. There are those chosen and just because all Israel was under the old covenant that doesn't legally mean that all Christians are under the New Covenant.

[tam]

Peace to you.

[Replying to Eloi in post #43]

All Christians are anointed!

Anyone who believes Jesus is the Son of God and follows Him enters the new covenant.

Well not quite. Those things (believing Christ is the Son of God and following Him) make a person a disciple of Christ. One must then also be anointed with holy spirit (I think you will agree with that).


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[tam]

Peace to you.

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #61]
I don't see your point. You kept stressing ALL Israel but ALL Israel were not priest and kings.

But ALL ISRAEL was in the old covenant.

Some of you keep using the fact that Israel had both priests and common people as an example that not all Christians are in the new covenant. But that makes no sense, because all of Israel was in the old covenant - regardless of their status.

What makes no sense is that if ALL Christians are part of the New Covenant then they are to be kings and priest, but who do they rule over? Kings and priest that rule over other kings and priests. It makes no sense. So yes, it is VERY important that I bring out that not all Israelites were kings and priests.

If you had read the entire post before you responded, you would have found that your concern has already been answered in that very post.


Peace again to you.

[Eloi]

What makes no sense is that if ALL Christians are part of the New Covenant then they are to be kings and priest, but who do they rule over? Kings and priest that rule over other kings and priests. It makes no sense. So yes, it is VERY important that I bring out that not all Israelites were kings and priests.

Exactly.

In Christendom they teach that all Christians are going to be priests and kings. That is obviously a false hope and wishful thinking and it is a direct consequence of the false teaching that all good people will go to heaven.

[2timothy316]

Peace to you.

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #61]
I don't see your point. You kept stressing ALL Israel but ALL Israel were not priest and kings.

But ALL ISRAEL was in the old covenant.

Some of you keep using the fact that Israel had both priests and common people as an example that not all Christians are in the new covenant. But that makes no sense, because all of Israel was in the old covenant - regardless of their status.

What makes no sense is that if ALL Christians are part of the New Covenant then they are to be kings and priest, but who do they rule over? Kings and priest that rule over other kings and priests. It makes no sense. So yes, it is VERY important that I bring out that not all Israelites were kings and priests.

If you had read the entire post before you responded, you would have found that your concern has already been answered in that very post.


Peace again to you.

Where does it say in the Bible that any non-Christian will survive Armageddon?

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you.

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #61]
I don't see your point. You kept stressing ALL Israel but ALL Israel were not priest and kings.

But ALL ISRAEL was in the old covenant.

Some of you keep using the fact that Israel had both priests and common people as an example that not all Christians are in the new covenant. But that makes no sense, because all of Israel was in the old covenant - regardless of their status.

What makes no sense is that if ALL Christians are part of the New Covenant then they are to be kings and priest, but who do they rule over? Kings and priest that rule over other kings and priests. It makes no sense. So yes, it is VERY important that I bring out that not all Israelites were kings and priests.

If you had read the entire post before you responded, you would have found that your concern has already been answered in that very post.


Peace again to you.

Where does it say in the Bible that any non-Christian will survive Armageddon?

Timothy, are you suggesting that no current non-Christian will be in the Kingdom during the thousand years to be reigned over?

(the wts teaching on Armageddon is inaccurate in various details, but either way, it does not change the question I am asking you)

Peace again.

[Eloi]

Where does it say in the Bible that any non-Christian will survive Armageddon?

That is a very timely question, since some believers think that the survivors of the great tribulation will not be loyal Christians, but non-Christians who will later be destroyed; something that really puzzles me, since why save those who will then be destroyed anyway? But that conclusion comes from the same old false teaching: all the good go to heaven during the great tribulation.

However, it is evident from the Scriptures that the survivors of the great tribulation are believers and faithful Christians:

Rev. 7:9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb."
(...) 13 In response one of the elders said to me: "These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?" 14 So right away I said to him: "My lord, you are the one who knows." And he said to me: "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down on them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them and will guide them to springs of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes."

In matters of information analysis, this mechanism of neglecting certain information for convenience is called cognitive dissonance. In Christendom this practice is very common, because its religious leaders cannot match or coordinate all their teachings as a coherent system, so they feel compelled to ignore fundamental biblical truths and avoid mentioning them in their doctrinal discussions.

[onewithhim]

If true, then WHO mediates for the rest of the Jehovahs Witnesses?

When Jesus was on Earth, he spoke primarily to the anointed class---those people who are chosen to be in heaven with Jehovah and Jesus. He impressed upon them the fact that they were heading for a home in the heavens which God was preparing for them. By extension I Timothy2:5 applies also to the "other sheep," which join the anointed ones in following Christ. (John 10:16) That is my understanding.

Most of the New Testament is directed toward the anointed ones, for Jesus was intent on rounding up the members of the heavenly class which would rule over billions of people here on Earth. Once the 144,000 have been chosen (and most of them have been chosen but not yet sealed), Jehovah and Jesus look for the "other sheep" who know that they will live on Earth in paradise conditions. Now, there are over 8 million Christians that look forward to living on Earth. There are more to be found, and that is what Jesus is concentrating on today, as well as giving a witness about God's Kingdom which is mankind's only hope for everlasting life and for true peace on Earth.

But as I've pointed out before, all the seats have been taken. Unless, that is, a person's ancestry goes back to one of the 12 ancient tribes of the "sons of Israel." And that's IF ancestry even counts.

Those comprising the 144,000....Conquered and dissipated in the year

12,000 from the tribe of Judah ..............586 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Reuben,.......,,...723 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Gad..................721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Asher................721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali............734 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh.L,,,,,,.723 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Simeon.............722 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Levi..................Integrated into ancient Jewish and Samaritan communities.
12,000 from the tribe of Issachar............721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun............721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Joseph..............721 BC
12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin..........721 BC
source in part: Revelation 7:5-8

Q. Do you think all the members of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses

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have an ancestry that goes back to one of the twelve tribes?
What are the odds? 1 in 26,485,000,000,000?


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It's all spiritual Israel now, since the Kingdom was taken and given to "a nation producing its fruit" (Matthew 21:43; 23:37,38) Peter reiterated this fact when writing to fellow Christians in Asia. He said to them: "You are 'a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession'....For you were once not a people, but are now God's people." (I Peter 2:9,10) The list in Revelation does not even match the list in Numbers or Leviticus. It doesn't matter any more what Israel does or doesn't do. Christ's church includes only spiritual Jews.

"Surely you know that those who adhere to the faith are the ones who are sons of Abraham." (Galatians 3:7) "You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus....There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave or freeman, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one person in union with Christ Jesus. Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham's seed, heirs with reference to a promise." (Galatians 3:26-29) "For as regards Christ Jesus neither circumcision is of any value nor is uncircumcision, but faith operating through love" (Gal.5:6). "All those who will walk orderly by this rule of conduct, upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel of God." (Gal.6:16)

So, the Israel of God is all anointed Christians that are following Jesus....some are natural Jews, but it doesn't matter if someone is a natural Jew or a man of the nations. If they are following Christ, they are part of the Israel of God.

[2timothy316]

Timothy, are you suggesting that no current non-Christian will be in the Kingdom during the thousand years to be reigned over?

There will be those that will be resurrected that didn't get the chance to learn about Christ however, no person that rejects Christ reign before the 1000 year reign or during it that will allowed to live in God's Kingdom. Revelation Chapters 20 and 21.

"The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it." (Psalm 37:28, 29)