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The Origin and Destiny of man

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True religion should clearly answer the question of the origin and destiny of man.

1. Where did we come from?

2 Why are we here?

3. What is the eternal destiny of man?

May we hear your clear knowledge of the above questions.
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myth-one.com wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:11 pm
John17_3 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:49 pm
Please answer the following:
Did persons commit the unforgivable sin?
Would anyone who has blasphemed against the holy spirit be resurrected?
Sin has nothing at all to do with who is resurrected. Every human who ever died will be resurrected, even those who committed the unforgivable sin.

"All" includes those who blasphemed against the holy spirit.


For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)


Sin was a problem under the Old Testament. That problem was fixed under the New Testament.

Deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming, and deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected to human life after the thousand year Millennium.

That's everyone!
Do you believe that the nonbelievers that will suffer the second death still has resurrection? (Rev21:8)
After the 1,000 years the nonbelievers will be resurrected, but Satan will deceived them. (Rev 20:8)
Who are them? They are the nations in the four quarters of the earth. (Rev 20:8)
How many are them? The number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (Rev 20:8)
What will they would do? Compassed (sorround) the saints in the beloved city new Jerusalem that came down from God out of heaven.
What will happen to them? They will be devoured by fire. (Rev 20:5-9)
Be reminded that they have been resurrected once already. (Rev 20:5) There will be no more resurrection after the second death.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

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Capbook wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:56 am
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:11 pm
John17_3 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:49 pm
Please answer the following:
Did persons commit the unforgivable sin?
Would anyone who has blasphemed against the holy spirit be resurrected?
Sin has nothing at all to do with who is resurrected. Every human who ever died will be resurrected, even those who committed the unforgivable sin.

"All" includes those who blasphemed against the holy spirit.


For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)


Sin was a problem under the Old Testament. That problem was fixed under the New Testament.

Deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming, and deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected to human life after the thousand year Millennium.

That's everyone!
Do you believe that the nonbelievers that will suffer the second death still has resurrection? (Rev21:8)

There are two deaths defined in the Bible, the first and the second.

Every human is appointed to suffer their first death.

Likewise, every human who suffered their first death will be resurrected to life again.

Those who died believing in Christ as their Savior during their first physical life (believers) will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life.

The rest of the dead (the nonbelievers) will be resurrected as mortal humans once again.

Their second physical human death is then optional. Those whose names are not written in the Book of Life after their judgment will be cast into the lake of fire and quickly suffer their second and everlasting death. They will never live again.

Those who become believers during judgment will have their names written in the Book of Life and will become immortal spiritual bodied beings in the Kingdom of God with the other believers.

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myth-one.com wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:43 pm
Capbook wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:56 am
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:11 pm
John17_3 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:49 pm
Please answer the following:
Did persons commit the unforgivable sin?
Would anyone who has blasphemed against the holy spirit be resurrected?
Sin has nothing at all to do with who is resurrected. Every human who ever died will be resurrected, even those who committed the unforgivable sin.

"All" includes those who blasphemed against the holy spirit.


For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)


Sin was a problem under the Old Testament. That problem was fixed under the New Testament.

Deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming, and deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected to human life after the thousand year Millennium.

That's everyone!
Do you believe that the nonbelievers that will suffer the second death still has resurrection? (Rev21:8)

There are two deaths defined in the Bible, the first and the second.

Every human is appointed to suffer their first death.

Likewise, every human who suffered their first death will be resurrected to life again.

Those who died believing in Christ as their Savior during their first physical life (believers) will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life.

The rest of the dead (the nonbelievers) will be resurrected as mortal humans once again.

Their second physical human death is then optional. Those whose names are not written in the Book of Life after their judgment will be cast into the lake of fire and quickly suffer their second and everlasting death. They will never live again.

Those who become believers during judgment will have their names written in the Book of Life and will become immortal spiritual bodied beings in the Kingdom of God with the other believers.
Yes, your reply I colored red answers your statement I colored blue.

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myth-one.com wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:11 pm
John17_3 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:49 pm
Please answer the following:
Did persons commit the unforgivable sin?
Would anyone who has blasphemed against the holy spirit be resurrected?
Sin has nothing at all to do with who is resurrected. Every human who ever died will be resurrected, even those who committed the unforgivable sin.

"All" includes those who blasphemed against the holy spirit.


For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)


Sin was a problem under the Old Testament. That problem was fixed under the New Testament.

Deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming, and deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected to human life after the thousand year Millennium.

That's everyone!
Are you saying jesus statement is irrelevant, and applies only to the "Old Testament"?

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John17_3 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:01 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:11 pm
John17_3 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:49 pm
Please answer the following:
Did persons commit the unforgivable sin?
Would anyone who has blasphemed against the holy spirit be resurrected?
Sin has nothing at all to do with who is resurrected. Every human who ever died will be resurrected, even those who committed the unforgivable sin.

"All" includes those who blasphemed against the holy spirit.


For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)


Sin was a problem under the Old Testament. That problem was fixed under the New Testament.

Deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming, and deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected to human life after the thousand year Millennium.

That's everyone!
Are you saying Jesus statement is irrelevant, and applies only to the "Old Testament"?

I assume you mean the following statement:

Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


And I assume you mean relevant to one's salvation.

It was relevant when Jesus said it under the Old Testament.

It is no longer relevant to one's salvation under the New Testament.

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myth-one.com wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:50 pm
John17_3 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:01 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:11 pm
John17_3 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:49 pm
Please answer the following:
Did persons commit the unforgivable sin?
Would anyone who has blasphemed against the holy spirit be resurrected?
Sin has nothing at all to do with who is resurrected. Every human who ever died will be resurrected, even those who committed the unforgivable sin.

"All" includes those who blasphemed against the holy spirit.


For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)


Sin was a problem under the Old Testament. That problem was fixed under the New Testament.

Deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming, and deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected to human life after the thousand year Millennium.

That's everyone!
Are you saying Jesus statement is irrelevant, and applies only to the "Old Testament"?

I assume you mean the following statement:

Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


And I assume you mean relevant to one's salvation.

It was relevant when Jesus said it under the Old Testament.

It is no longer relevant to one's salvation under the New Testament.
Why assume? I quoted these texts before.
Please show me which scripture says that what Jesus said about the unforgivable sin is said under the Old Testament. Please do that. Please.

There is no scripture that say that, so while this is your view, it does not have any support in scripture.
Jesus did not say, Truly I say to you that all sins and blasphemies will be forgiven the Jews, as many as they shall have blasphemed.
But any Jew who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”

Jesus said, Truly I say to you that all sins and blasphemies will be forgiven the sons of men, as many as they shall have blasphemed.
But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”

Did you not read that in your Bible, at Mark 3:38, 39? What Bible are you using?

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John17_3 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:24 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:50 pm
John17_3 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:01 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:11 pm
John17_3 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:49 pm
Please answer the following:
Did persons commit the unforgivable sin?
Would anyone who has blasphemed against the holy spirit be resurrected?
Sin has nothing at all to do with who is resurrected. Every human who ever died will be resurrected, even those who committed the unforgivable sin.

"All" includes those who blasphemed against the holy spirit.


For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)


Sin was a problem under the Old Testament. That problem was fixed under the New Testament.

Deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming, and deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected to human life after the thousand year Millennium.

That's everyone!
Are you saying Jesus statement is irrelevant, and applies only to the "Old Testament"?

I assume you mean the following statement:

Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


And I assume you mean relevant to one's salvation.

It was relevant when Jesus said it under the Old Testament.

It is no longer relevant to one's salvation under the New Testament.
Why assume? I quoted these texts before.

Please show me which scripture says that what Jesus said about the unforgivable sin is said under the Old Testament. Please do that. Please.

There is no scripture that say that, so while this is your view, it does not have any support in scripture.
Jesus did not say, Truly I say to you that all sins and blasphemies will be forgiven the Jews, as many as they shall have blasphemed.
But any Jew who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”

Jesus said, Truly I say to you that all sins and blasphemies will be forgiven the sons of men, as many as they shall have blasphemed.
But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”

Did you not read that in your Bible, at Mark 3:38, 39? What Bible are you using?

Actually, my Bibles do not contain verses at "Mark 3:38, 39." Please quote them for me from your Bible.

What Bible are you using?

Here are the verses which prove that no sin will prevent anyone from gaining salvation:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


No mention of any sin in John 3:16.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


So, salvation is a gift of God, and cannot be earned by mankind's works to fulfill the law and remain sinless:

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Sin committing the unforgivable sin is a sin, and since sin no longer prevents one for gaining everlasting life, then committing the unforgivable sin no longer prevents one from gaining everlasting life!! :D

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myth-one.com wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:00 am
John17_3 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:24 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:50 pm
John17_3 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:01 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:11 pm
John17_3 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:49 pm
Please answer the following:
Did persons commit the unforgivable sin?
Would anyone who has blasphemed against the holy spirit be resurrected?
Sin has nothing at all to do with who is resurrected. Every human who ever died will be resurrected, even those who committed the unforgivable sin.

"All" includes those who blasphemed against the holy spirit.


For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)


Sin was a problem under the Old Testament. That problem was fixed under the New Testament.

Deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming, and deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected to human life after the thousand year Millennium.

That's everyone!
Are you saying Jesus statement is irrelevant, and applies only to the "Old Testament"?

I assume you mean the following statement:

Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


And I assume you mean relevant to one's salvation.

It was relevant when Jesus said it under the Old Testament.

It is no longer relevant to one's salvation under the New Testament.
Why assume? I quoted these texts before.

Please show me which scripture says that what Jesus said about the unforgivable sin is said under the Old Testament. Please do that. Please.

There is no scripture that say that, so while this is your view, it does not have any support in scripture.
Jesus did not say, Truly I say to you that all sins and blasphemies will be forgiven the Jews, as many as they shall have blasphemed.
But any Jew who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”

Jesus said, Truly I say to you that all sins and blasphemies will be forgiven the sons of men, as many as they shall have blasphemed.
But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”

Did you not read that in your Bible, at Mark 3:38, 39? What Bible are you using?

Actually, my Bibles do not contain verses at "Mark 3:38, 39." Please quote them for me from your Bible.

What Bible are you using?

Here are the verses which prove that no sin will prevent anyone from gaining salvation:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


No mention of any sin in John 3:16.
But you forget---the demons believe, yet they will perish. So it is not just belief that saves a person. (James 2:18-20)

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:36 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:00 am
John17_3 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:24 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:50 pm
John17_3 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:01 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:11 pm
John17_3 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:49 pm
Please answer the following:
Did persons commit the unforgivable sin?
Would anyone who has blasphemed against the holy spirit be resurrected?
Sin has nothing at all to do with who is resurrected. Every human who ever died will be resurrected, even those who committed the unforgivable sin.

"All" includes those who blasphemed against the holy spirit.


For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)


Sin was a problem under the Old Testament. That problem was fixed under the New Testament.

Deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming, and deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected to human life after the thousand year Millennium.

That's everyone!
Are you saying Jesus statement is irrelevant, and applies only to the "Old Testament"?

I assume you mean the following statement:

Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


And I assume you mean relevant to one's salvation.

It was relevant when Jesus said it under the Old Testament.

It is no longer relevant to one's salvation under the New Testament.
Why assume? I quoted these texts before.

Please show me which scripture says that what Jesus said about the unforgivable sin is said under the Old Testament. Please do that. Please.

There is no scripture that say that, so while this is your view, it does not have any support in scripture.
Jesus did not say, Truly I say to you that all sins and blasphemies will be forgiven the Jews, as many as they shall have blasphemed.
But any Jew who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”

Jesus said, Truly I say to you that all sins and blasphemies will be forgiven the sons of men, as many as they shall have blasphemed.
But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”

Did you not read that in your Bible, at Mark 3:38, 39? What Bible are you using?

Actually, my Bibles do not contain verses at "Mark 3:38, 39." Please quote them for me from your Bible.

What Bible are you using?

Here are the verses which prove that no sin will prevent anyone from gaining salvation:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


No mention of any sin in John 3:16.
But you forget---the demons believe, yet they will perish. So it is not just belief that saves a person. (James 2:18-20)


Where does the Bible state that demons will perish?

It certainly does not say that in James 2:18-20 as you claim!!

James 2:
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?


You keep stating the same false claims. The devils TREMBLE, they do not perish. The demons faith is dead without works. Not the demons.

I do not forget that the demons will perish, because I know that is not said in James 2:18-20!!

I cannot find that in any translations of those verses.

Can you??

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myth-one.com wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:00 am
John17_3 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:24 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:50 pm
John17_3 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 5:01 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:11 pm
John17_3 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:49 pm
Please answer the following:
Did persons commit the unforgivable sin?
Would anyone who has blasphemed against the holy spirit be resurrected?
Sin has nothing at all to do with who is resurrected. Every human who ever died will be resurrected, even those who committed the unforgivable sin.

"All" includes those who blasphemed against the holy spirit.


For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)


Sin was a problem under the Old Testament. That problem was fixed under the New Testament.

Deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming, and deceased nonbelievers will be resurrected to human life after the thousand year Millennium.

That's everyone!
Are you saying Jesus statement is irrelevant, and applies only to the "Old Testament"?

I assume you mean the following statement:

Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


And I assume you mean relevant to one's salvation.

It was relevant when Jesus said it under the Old Testament.

It is no longer relevant to one's salvation under the New Testament.
Why assume? I quoted these texts before.

Please show me which scripture says that what Jesus said about the unforgivable sin is said under the Old Testament. Please do that. Please.

There is no scripture that say that, so while this is your view, it does not have any support in scripture.
Jesus did not say, Truly I say to you that all sins and blasphemies will be forgiven the Jews, as many as they shall have blasphemed.
But any Jew who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”

Jesus said, Truly I say to you that all sins and blasphemies will be forgiven the sons of men, as many as they shall have blasphemed.
But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”

Did you not read that in your Bible, at Mark 3:38, 39? What Bible are you using?

Actually, my Bibles do not contain verses at "Mark 3:38, 39." Please quote them for me from your Bible.

What Bible are you using?

Here are the verses which prove that no sin will prevent anyone from gaining salvation:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


No mention of any sin in John 3:16.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


So, salvation is a gift of God, and cannot be earned by mankind's works to fulfill the law and remain sinless:

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Sin committing the unforgivable sin is a sin, and since sin no longer prevents one for gaining everlasting life, then committing the unforgivable sin no longer prevents one from gaining everlasting life!! :D
Does your Bible contain Luke 12:10-12?
Unfortunately for some myth, there are different kinds of sin.
One of them is not on their list of "Excuse me for this, by your grace and mercy".

1 John 5:16, 17
If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he should ask God, who will give life to those who commit this kind of sin. There is a sin that leads to death; I am not saying he should ask regarding that sin. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death.

Blasphemy against the holy spirit is a sin that is unforgivable. That is a sin that "will not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Matthew 12:32

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