Questions about Jesus and JW’s

[MissKate13]

1. Jehovah’s Witnesses say Jesus was “a god.” This is how the NWT reads (John 1:1).

Do JW’s believe Jesus was a true or false god?

2. JW’s say Jesus is a created being.

When was Jesus (capital or lower case g) created?

I look forward to your responses to one or both questions.

MissKate13

[Capbook]

The totality of kinds or sorts of all things in the sentence confined to the Father, not to the animals.
Ok, what is wrong with that sentence?

I can't say because I don't understand what you mean... when you say "kind' what are you referring to?

Of course you can't, because if you mean the other way, you'll be defining it away from the Bible lexicon definition.
It refer to "all kinds of things" what the Father had.

So how does the bible define a "kind"?

Thayer Bible lexicon defined "kind" in Greek "ἰσότιμος isotimos" as equally precious, equally honoured, to be esteemed equal to.
It add up more solid definition and description of Jesus as equal to the Father.
I think you regret asking its definition.

(NASB+)2Pe 1:1  N1 Simon G4613  Peter G4074 , a  R1 bond-servant G1401  and  R2 apostle G652  of Jesus G2424  Christ G5547 , To those G3588  who have received G2975 R3 a faith G4102  of the G2472  same G2472 N2 kind G2472  as ours G1473 ,  N3 by  R4 the righteousness G1343  of  R5 our God G2316  and Savior G4990 , Jesus G2424  Christ G5547 :

G2472 (Thayer)
ἰσότιμος isotimos
Thayer Definition:
1) equally precious
2) equally honoured, to be esteemed equal to

[JehovahsWitness]

So how does the bible define a "kind"?

Thayer Bible lexicon defined "kind" in Greek "ἰσότιμος isotimos"

The NOUN not the adjective.

[Capbook]

So how does the bible define a "kind"?

Thayer Bible lexicon defined "kind" in Greek "ἰσότιμος isotimos"

The NOUN not the adjective.

My point to John 16:15 is "all kind of things the Father had, Jesus had it also."
And Bible lexicon define "kinds", in Greek "πᾶς pas" as the whole, everyone, all things, everything, every and etc.
Again it proves my point.

(NASB+)Mat 5:11 “Blessed G3107  are you when G3752  people  R1 insult G3679  you and persecute G1377  you, and falsely G5574  say G3004  all G3956  kinds G3956  of evil G4190  against G2596  you because G1752a  of Me.

G3956 (Thayer)
πᾶς pas
Thayer Definition:
1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2) collectively
2a) some of all types

[JehovahsWitness]

So how does the bible define a "kind"?

And Bible lexicon define "kinds", in Greek "πᾶς pas" ...

Maybe, I'm not making myself clear, I did not ask about the adjective "all" ( "πᾶς" pas) , I am asking you what is the Greek for the bible NOUN ---> (a) KIND <---- ?

[Capbook]

So how does the bible define a "kind"?

And Bible lexicon define "kinds", in Greek "πᾶς pas" ...

Maybe, I'm not making myself clear, I did not ask about the adjective "all" ( "πᾶς" pas) , I am asking you what is the Greek for the bible NOUN ---> (a) KIND <---- ?

If you oppose my point or definition, prove that it is not correct, the burden is on your side, you may post your definition so we could compare.
My argument is about "all kinds" of things, with a verse previously mentioned.

[JehovahsWitness]

If you oppose my point ....

I dont know what your point is because you supported it with a defintion which included the noun "kind" in it and it is unclear what you think that word (kind (n)) means.

NT:3956
pas: a totality of kinds or sorts - 'every kind of, all sorts of.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

My argument is about "all kinds" of things, with a verse previously mentioned

Can you see the word "kind" in your definition? I am asking for clarification on your understanding of that word (kind). What in the bible is a "kind" (Greek)?


NOTE I am not challenging the defintion (it's a good one) I seeking clarification on your understanding of the defintion.

[Capbook]

If you oppose my point ....

I dont know what your point is because you supported it with a defintion which included the noun "kind" in it and it is unclear what you think that word (kind (n)) means.

NT:3956
pas: a totality of kinds or sorts - 'every kind of, all sorts of.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

My argument is about "all kinds" of things, with a verse previously mentioned

Can you see the word "kind" in your definition? I am asking for clarification on your understanding of that word (kind). What in the bible is a "kind" (Greek)?


NOTE I am not challenging the defintion (it's a good one) I seeking clarification on your understanding of the defintion.

If you have NASB+, you can check Mat 5:11 if it is not the same with what I posted below. The "kinds" have a Strong No. G3956, which in Greek "πᾶς pas" and it support my point to John 16:15, that says, "all kinds of things the Father has, Jesus had it also".

(NASB+)Mat 5:11 “Blessed G3107  are you when G3752  people  R1 insult G3679  you and persecute G1377  you, and falsely G5574  say G3004  all G3956  kinds G3956  of evil G4190  against G2596  you because G1752a  of Me.

G3956 (Thayer)
πᾶς pas
Thayer Definition:
1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2) collectively
2a) some of all types

[JehovahsWitness]

... The "kinds" have a Strong No. G3956, which in Greek "πᾶς pas" ...

May I ask why you keep giving the definition of the adjective I am asking about the noun?

[Capbook]

... The "kinds" have a Strong No. G3956, which in Greek "πᾶς pas" ...

May I ask why you keep giving the definition of the adjective I am asking about the noun?

That's the point I want to make my case. If you object, present your objection by evidences you have so we can compare.

[JehovahsWitness]

... The "kinds" have a Strong No. G3956, which in Greek "πᾶς pas" ...

May I ask why you keep giving the definition of the adjective I am asking about the noun?

That's the point I want to make my case. If you object, present your objection by evidences you have so we can compare.

This is very confusing to me... what point can you possibly be making by presenting the Greek for the adjective when the word in the definition was a noun.


Find my evidence for this below ...

noun
/naʊn/
nounGrammar
a word (other than a pronoun) used to identify any of a class of people, places, or things (common noun), or to name a particular one of these (proper noun).