JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[onewithhim]

Please read the previous posts on that subject. Rotherham, Leeser, the NWT and Everett Fox are just 4 of many who say that Ex.3:14 is "I Will" rather than "I Am."

Jesus was not quoting part of Exodus 3:14.

Perhaps read again what I wrote.

None of those sources have any bearing on how the Septuagint reads. They’re discussing the Hebrew of the Masoretic Text. The Septuagint is in Greek. John 8:58 matches Exodus 3:14 from the Septuagint.

Scholars say that it might have been corrupted from an earlier version of the Septuagint. Did you notice that I posted about what several scholars said about "I Will"?


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[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 72 by wannabe]

OK, wannabe, your post is well-taken. I agree that Jesus is not God but the speaker, or, spokesman, for God.


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[Difflugia]

Scholars say that it might have been corrupted from an earlier version of the Septuagint.

Who says that?

Did you notice that I posted about what several scholars said about "I Will"?

Yes.

[onewithhim]

Scholars say that it might have been corrupted from an earlier version of the Septuagint.

Who says that?

I was doing research, years ago, on a verse in the Septuagint and I read that somewhere.


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[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 93 by Difflugia]

So assuming that I am not lying, that there was another rendering of the Septuagint is quite likely.

[tigger2]

[Replying to post 95 by onewithhim]

"In the 3rd century CE Origen attempted to clear up copyists’ errors that had crept into the text of the Septuagint, which by then varied widely from copy to copy, and a number of other scholars consulted the Hebrew texts in order to make the Septuagint more accurate. .... The text of the Septuagint is contained in a few early, but not necessarily reliable, manuscripts. The best known of these are the Codex Vaticanus (B) and the Codex Sinaiticus (S), both dating from the 4th century CE, and the Codex Alexandrinus (A) from the 5th century."

- https://www.britannica.com/topic/Septuagint

[Difflugia]

[Difflugia]

For anyone that's interested in more than they'd ever want to know about the Septuagint, Swete's An Introduction to the Old Testament in Greek is really good, if dated.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 97 by Difflugia]

At least we've basically established that the Septuagint has had a few revisions, whether advantageous to truth or not. I must do some more research into it.


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[brianbbs67]

Maybe I missed something in this "I am" discussion. Wouldn't the Hebrew trump the 70? Ehyeh ashur Ehyeh? I am that which(what I) I will be?