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Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living not the dead

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37Even Moses demonstrates that the dead are raised, in the passage about the burning bush. For he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to Him all are alive.”
Are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob alive or dead right now?
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Re: Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living not the dead

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:11 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:39 pm ... .... for God the death of the righteous is only temporarily just like a nap.
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:12 pm
From man's point of view Lazarus was dead.

From God's point of view, Lazarus was sleeping.

Isn't that what I said?
You guys know when you are sleeping you are alive right? From the sleepers point of view - they are alive.
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Re: Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living not the dead

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:39 pm ... .... for God the death of the righteous is only temporarily just like a nap.
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:12 pm
From man's point of view Lazarus was dead.

From God's point of view, Lazarus was sleeping.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:11 pm Isn't that what I said?
No. You limited your statement to only the righteous, and applied it to both possible deaths.

Correctly it should be --- for God, the first death of any human is only temporarily, just like a nap.
Wootah wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:58 am You guys know when you are sleeping you are alive right? From the sleeper's point of view - they are alive.
When a living human is sleeping, they are alive from all points of view.

But if they are said to be sleeping after their first death, they are dead from man's point of view, but sleeping from God's point of view.

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Re: Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living not the dead

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:05 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:39 pm ... .... for God the death of the righteous is only temporarily just like a nap.
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:12 pm
From man's point of view Lazarus was dead.

From God's point of view, Lazarus was sleeping.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:11 pm Isn't that what I said?
No. You limited your statement to only the righteous, and applied it to both possible deaths.

Okay what I meant was "From man's point of view Lazarus was dead. From God's point of view, Lazarus was sleeping"

Consider my first comment replaced with the above.



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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:13 am
myth-one.com wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:05 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:39 pm ... .... for God the death of the righteous is only temporarily just like a nap.
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:12 pm
From man's point of view Lazarus was dead.

From God's point of view, Lazarus was sleeping.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:11 pm Isn't that what I said?
No. You limited your statement to only the righteous, and applied it to both possible deaths.

Okay what I meant was "From man's point of view Lazarus was dead. From God's point of view, Lazarus was sleeping"

Consider my first comment replaced with the above.

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Hello again.

In your first statement, you said "... .... for God the death of the righteous is only temporarily just like a nap."

To be correct, the first death of anyone is only temporary like a nap, and the second death of anyone is everlasting.

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:37 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:13 am
myth-one.com wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:05 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:39 pm ... .... for God the death of the righteous is only temporarily just like a nap.
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:12 pm
From man's point of view Lazarus was dead.

From God's point of view, Lazarus was sleeping.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:11 pm Isn't that what I said?
No. You limited your statement to only the righteous, and applied it to both possible deaths.

Okay what I meant was "From man's point of view Lazarus was dead. From God's point of view, Lazarus was sleeping"

Consider my first comment replaced with the above.

Goodbye
JW
Hello again.

In your first statement, you said "... .... for God the death of the righteous is only temporarily just like a nap."

To be correct, the first death of anyone is only temporary like a nap, and the second death of anyone is everlasting.

Did you not see, I said. ....Consider my first comment replaced with the above.


So please...Consider my first comment replaced with the above. namely ... "From man's point of view Lazarus was dead. From God's point of view, Lazarus was sleeping"



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Re: Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living not the dead

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Wootah wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:03 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:42 pm [Replying to Wootah in post #1]

All of the old patriarchs are still dead. The Scripture you quoted says that, although they are dead, they are alive TO HIM. Jehovah remembers every detail about the dead people so that they are alive to him, in his memory. They are not literally alive. I remember that Jesus said that he will resurrect people "in the last day" (John 6:40,44), and this will include Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
That's pretty lame. If that is what God actually means. So when someone says that their dead parents are alive to them do you think they are alive? It is a white lie at best and God isn't a liar - right? At least tell me you don't think God is a liar.
Of course God isn't a liar, and I explained exactly what that scripture means. And if someone said to me that their parents are alive to them, I would not think they were literally alive.

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onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:12 pm
Wootah wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:03 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:42 pm [Replying to Wootah in post #1]

All of the old patriarchs are still dead. The Scripture you quoted says that, although they are dead, they are alive TO HIM. Jehovah remembers every detail about the dead people so that they are alive to him, in his memory. They are not literally alive. I remember that Jesus said that he will resurrect people "in the last day" (John 6:40,44), and this will include Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
That's pretty lame. If that is what God actually means. So when someone says that their dead parents are alive to them do you think they are alive? It is a white lie at best and God isn't a liar - right? At least tell me you don't think God is a liar.
Of course God isn't a liar, and I explained exactly what that scripture means. And if someone said to me that their parents are alive to them, I would not think they were literally alive.
Of course, you are allowed to maintain double standards. It is the function of debate to reveal them.

Let's also add you know what God thinks. You think when God says they are alive that he means of course they are dead, *wink*, but alive to me in my mind *wink*.

The curse at the beginning was death, after Jesus' death and resurrection, Paul says of death, "oh death where is thy sting." and you are saying oh nah they are still dead. Maybe Jesus died and was resurrected in God's eyes? Good grief.
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Wootah wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:55 am Paul says of death, "oh death where is thy sting." and you are saying oh nah they are still dead.
So what is your point? That all the people that have ceased all bodily functions, and whose physical bodies have decayed and returned to dust, are all actually, alive in another form? Is your point that nobody is actually dead in the sense of no longer existing ? Because Jehovahs Witnesses don't believe in the immortality of the soul.



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Wootah wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:55 am
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:12 pm
Wootah wrote: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:03 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:42 pm [Replying to Wootah in post #1]

All of the old patriarchs are still dead. The Scripture you quoted says that, although they are dead, they are alive TO HIM. Jehovah remembers every detail about the dead people so that they are alive to him, in his memory. They are not literally alive. I remember that Jesus said that he will resurrect people "in the last day" (John 6:40,44), and this will include Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
That's pretty lame. If that is what God actually means. So when someone says that their dead parents are alive to them do you think they are alive? It is a white lie at best and God isn't a liar - right? At least tell me you don't think God is a liar.
Of course God isn't a liar, and I explained exactly what that scripture means. And if someone said to me that their parents are alive to them, I would not think they were literally alive.
Of course, you are allowed to maintain double standards. It is the function of debate to reveal them.

Let's also add you know what God thinks. You think when God says they are alive that he means of course they are dead, *wink*, but alive to me in my mind *wink*.

The curse at the beginning was death, after Jesus' death and resurrection, Paul says of death, "oh death where is thy sting." and you are saying oh nah they are still dead. Maybe Jesus died and was resurrected in God's eyes? Good grief.
So you are saying that people are not really dead? You have another definition of "death"? When someone dies they are not actually dead?

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:06 am
Wootah wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:55 am Paul says of death, "oh death where is thy sting." and you are saying oh nah they are still dead.
So what is your point? That all the people that have ceased all bodily functions, and whose physical bodies have decayed and returned to dust, are all actually, alive in another form? Is your point that nobody is actually dead in the sense of no longer existing ? Because Jehovahs Witnesses don't believe in the immortality of the soul.



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Hi JW - can you link me to that belief? I didn't know that you don't believe in the immortality of the soul. Incredible.
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