Jesus is God - Psalm 91

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Jesus is God - Psalm 91

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Old Testament verse 4 talks of God covering you with feathers and finding refuge under his wings:
Psalm 91
1 Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High
will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.[a]
2 I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress,
my God, in whom I trust.”

3 Surely he will save you
from the fowler’s snare
and from the deadly pestilence.
4 He will cover you with his feathers,
and under his wings you will find refuge;
Jesus knows this and would never violate the shema but then Jesus goes and says:
Matthew 23:37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[c]”
What no. Jesus come on. You're confusing me. Are you claiming to be God by using the same imagery.

Look at all these old testament verses where God wants us under His wings: https://www.openbible.info/topics/under_his_wings
Psalm 91:4 ESV / 93 helpful votes
He will cover you with his pinions, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness is a shield and buckler.

Psalm 91:1-16 ESV / 81 helpful votes
He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say to the Lord, “My refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.” For he will deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence. He will cover you with his pinions, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness is a shield and buckler. You will not fear the terror of the night, nor the arrow that flies by day, ...

Ruth 2:12 ESV / 53 helpful votes
The Lord repay you for what you have done, and a full reward be given you by the Lord, the God of Israel, under whose wings you have come to take refuge!”

Psalm 17:8 ESV / 38 helpful votes
Keep me as the apple of your eye; hide me in the shadow of your wings,

Psalm 57:1 ESV / 30 helpful votes
To the choirmaster: according to Do Not Destroy. A Miktam of David, when he fled from Saul, in the cave. Be merciful to me, O God, be merciful to me, for in you my soul takes refuge; in the shadow of your wings I will take refuge, till the storms of destruction pass by.

Isaiah 40:31 ESV / 28 helpful votes
But they who wait for the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles; they shall run and not be weary; they shall walk and not faint.

Psalm 36:7 ESV / 27 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
How precious is your steadfast love, O God! The children of mankind take refuge in the shadow of your wings.

Psalm 63:7 ESV / 26 helpful votes
For you have been my help, and in the shadow of your wings I will sing for joy.

Deuteronomy 32:11 ESV / 26 helpful votes
Like an eagle that stirs up its nest, that flutters over its young, spreading out its wings, catching them, bearing them on its pinions,

Exodus 19:4 ESV / 22 helpful votes
You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to myself.

Psalm 91:1 ESV / 20 helpful votes
He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow of the Almighty.

Psalm 61:4 ESV / 20 helpful votes
Let me dwell in your tent forever! Let me take refuge under the shelter of your wings! Selah
How could Jesus fowl this one up?
Did he not know the Old Testament?

Look at Jesus words, 'how often I have longed to gather your children together". Does he mean just the last couple of years of ministry? Does he mean across history?
But he says just before, "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you". He is implying across history the prophets are and were his attempt to draw them back to himself.

Is this just another example of Jesus connecting himself as YHWH?

I await rebuttals.
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Wootah wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:16 pm [Replying to 1213 in post #3]

All humans are in the image of God, Jesus is the perfect image of that. How did he do that without being God?
He didn't do that.

God did that.

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Checkpoint wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:32 pm
Wootah wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:16 pm [Replying to 1213 in post #3]

All humans are in the image of God, Jesus is the perfect image of that. How did he do that without being God?
He didn't do that.

God did that.
So Jesus had no free will?
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Wootah wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:09 pm
Checkpoint wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:32 pm
Wootah wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:16 pm [Replying to 1213 in post #3]

All humans are in the image of God, Jesus is the perfect image of that. How did he do that without being God?
He didn't do that.

God did that.
So Jesus had no free will?
He had free will after he "became flesh" as Jesus of Nazareth "who dwelt amongst us".

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Re: Jesus is God - Psalm 91

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Wootah wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:31 pm
1213 wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:46 pm
Wootah wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:32 pm Great so you quote and agree that the Father is greater than Jesus and we both know Jesus knows his Bible. So his quote in Matthew is quite the blasphemy according to you?
I don't think it is.
...
Why don't you think it is?
I don't see any good reason to think it is blasphemy what Jesus said.
Wootah wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:31 pmIt's not a joke about Biden. Why don't you think he is greater than you? What evidence do you have to support the idea that he isn't greater than you?
I don't see any reason to think so. And actually at this point it looks like he can't even debate without teleprompter.

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Re: Jesus is God - Psalm 91

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Dear Wootah,

I think you did a beautiful job in presenting your OP! Thank you!

Yes indeed, he ,in the meridian of time came unto his own and they received him not. Yes indeed he knew exactly whereof he spoke to the unbelieving Jews who were blinded by their unbelief even at mid day.
Yes, indeed he spoke of his desire to gather his followers both present and in ages past symbolically as a hen gathereth her chilcks under her wings. Is it not also very interesting that his comments show according to scripture the many times that he would have gathered them as so clearly shown in the OT as recorded. He spoke these things from an aged viewpoint, because I do not think that anyone can show scripture showing the he referred to this as in the present. Jesus the Christ is indeed Jehovah of the OT. He is indeed Immanuel or God with us as recorded in the New Testament.

I understand of course, that in his day, there were very many who were filled with unbelief and rejected The truth of his words. Likewise, there are many in our day who fall into the same category of the unbelieving Jews in his day.

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