Question about Christianity and my church

[The Ex-Mormon]

Mitt Romney is running for President. He is a member of the CoJCoLDS. Also I belong to this church. I have noticed that many Christians hate my church. Why? We are Christians as they are. We believe in Jesus Christ and the Bible as the word of God, like they do it. Why do they hate us?

[The Ex-Mormon]

Congratulations, I am glad to hear things are working out for you.

I have won a battle, the not whole war. Congratulate me only when I am gone officially of the LDS; and I was separated.

[Richard81]

And as all of you can see, I had my nick legally changed in EX-MORMON!
I'm so glad to do this.

I just noticed your name change. It was very difficult for me to leave christianity, I can't imagine how hard it must, or is going to be, for you to leave the mormon church. Just wanted to stop by and wish you good luck.

[The Ex-Mormon]

I just noticed your name change. It was very difficult for me to leave christianity, I can't imagine how hard it must, or is going to be, for you to leave the mormon church. Just wanted to stop by and wish you good luck.

What would have been the alternative? Being further in a church which lies to both the public and the members of its own? The really bad still will come. If I am avoided by ward members. If lies are spread about me in the church. If my children decide in favor of their father and the church. I have a so much fire in my belly at the moment with anger that it would be enough for ten church leavings.

[revelationtestament]

Make yourself a list about the claims of the book of Mormon. Put the ones that have evidence for them, and evidence against it, and evidence there is no support for, but no support against either.

I have everything I have found out provided with sting words; stored in my PC. A folder has the name "church"; the other folder the name "advocatus diaboli". Since my husband can not speak any Latin and he checks my PC in the last time; seemed to me this to be the safest way.
If my investigations are finished, I will inform my husband and my bishop about my results and my decision in a letter. Because my husband has not talked with me for days any more. And we only the most necessary and he has a tone then, if he talks, as if he were the general, and we the troop who must obey him.
Family life is not easy for me at the moment.

Then, remember that it will be uncomfortable dealing with your family if you DO leave the Mormon church .... and then decide of the negative evidence is worth the disruption to the family. That kind of behavior is very cultist in my opinion.

To leave the church, somebody must be very strong; particularly if the family is in the church; and the family can break because of this. And I do not know whether I am really so strong. I do not love my husband already for a long time any more. We only are together because of the children and the temple marriage. He does not love me any more either. For him I am his cook, his scrubwoman and his free prostitute.
If it should prove well-founded, that the LDS is a swindle and a lie; perhaps I then find the courage to leave him? I, however, want to take my adult children with me. And he will never permit this!

I also am of the personal belief that needing to repress a lot of feelings is unhealthy. Will Shakespeare had some really good advice when he said "To thine own self be true"

I will try it!

Hi there. Just wondering what you found out about the Book of Mormon that you felt was not supported. You should note that many things in the Bible have no independent support - the idea that the whole earth was flooded, etc. You should note that Nickman doesn't believe the Bible either, but I am sure he didn't tell you that! I have much evidence that many biblical prophecies have come true I am happy to share on this open forum. You further mentioned that you felt you had uncovered lies of the church. I would be interested in addressing these with you. I will not put you on "ignore." You cannot believe everything you read anywhere, especially on the internet. So although you seem to have been convinced, you may have been fooled. There are many "Christian" authors who write to justify their views, rather than in an honest examination of the scriptures or facts. For instance, although I am anti-catholic, I have found that not all anti-catholic authors are truthful or fair. An example would be Alexander Hislop's "The Two Babylons" which scholars have largely factually discredited.

Some people here seem to have worked you up in some fear about the LDS church, which I believe is unjustified. My parents left the LDS church, and from time to time old friends have called, and they even visited a ward, but I can really say that was about it. I believe my mom requested their names be removed from the records - basically like any other church.

[The Ex-Mormon]

Hi there. Just wondering what you found out about the Book of Mormon that you felt was not supported. You should note that many things in the Bible have no independent support - the idea that the whole earth was flooded, etc.

It is not about the Bible here but about the BoM. And it gets clear in many places that it is a deceit. Even the church leaders knows this " and only she makes secret changes. Have a look at once the BoM. It was called in an earlier issues there; that the Indians are the descendants of the Israelites. A theory by the way far spread one in the 19th century. In newer versions of the BoM this was changed. Check it yourself!

You should note that Nickman doesn't believe the Bible either, but I am sure he didn't tell you that!

I know this. I am from Berne, not from Stupid City. Only hard, verifiable facts count for him. No matter where they come from.

I have much evidence that many biblical prophecies have come true I am happy to share on this open forum.

I am curious about it. Are they checkable? Do they really date from the time at which they were written allegedly? Were there still other sources where these prophecies were mentioned?
Because much was changed, some taken away, other things added at the Bible. So there is e.g. a quote where Paul says that women shall be silent in the church. This quotation is not from Paul but was inserted in the 2nd century AD. Therefore the Bible is not the authority, this one for me any more either she was former once for me.

You further mentioned that you felt you had uncovered lies of the church. I would be interested in addressing these with you. I will not put you on "ignore." You cannot believe everything you read anywhere, especially on the internet. So although you seem to have been convinced, you may have been fooled.

To mention everything I had found out; would take too much time and room here. And I do not feel like heating everything up again, said honestly. If you want, we can write us private.

There are many "Christian" authors who write to justify their views, rather than in an honest examination of the scriptures or facts. For instance, although I am anti-catholic, I have found that not all anti-catholic authors are truthful or fair. An example would be Alexander Hislop's "The Two Babylons" which scholars have largely factually discredited.

I prefer neutral, scientific sources. So the Smithionian institute says that there is no proof for it that something could be true at the BoM. Or Egyptiologists, which proof that the Book of Abraham is a swindle and that Smith could not translate. Do you know the story of the Kinderhook plates? Here a link to it:

http://conchisle.com/hex/frame2.htm

Everything no Christian authors. All scientist and historians. Admit it: Your church is a lie!

[aguy]

Mitt Romney is running for President. He is a member of the CoJCoLDS. Also I belong to this church. I have noticed that many Christians hate my church. Why? We are Christians as they are. We believe in Jesus Christ and the Bible as the word of God, like they do it. Why do they hate us?

From the political side, I can only laugh when a Christian says they can't vote for Romney. The only rational alternative is to vote for Obama, who has done more to oppose Christianity than any other president.

On the side of religion. I cannot speak for others, but I am under the understanding that what Mormon's believe that Christ was formerly Michael the Archangel, and was not resurrected to pay the full price for our sins.

Please respond and let me know if what I have been taught is aligned with what Mormons are taught.

[The Ex-Mormon]

Sometimes there is a choice between plague and cholera. Romney will pursue policy only for the prosperous ones; Obama only for the poor ones. Romney is conservative, Obama are even a socialist, maybe a Communist. So voting for whom?
I think, that Obama is better for the USA because of social peace.

[Nickman]

Mitt Romney is running for President. He is a member of the CoJCoLDS. Also I belong to this church. I have noticed that many Christians hate my church. Why? We are Christians as they are. We believe in Jesus Christ and the Bible as the word of God, like they do it. Why do they hate us?

From the political side, I can only laugh when a Christian says they can't vote for Romney. The only rational alternative is to vote for Obama, who has done more to oppose Christianity than any other president.

On the side of religion. I cannot speak for others, but I am under the understanding that what Mormon's believe that Christ was formerly Michael the Archangel, and was not resurrected to pay the full price for our sins.

Please respond and let me know if what I have been taught is aligned with what Mormons are taught.

No, the part about Michael is not an actual teaching or doctrine and has been covered up for a while now by the General Authorities.

LDS believe Jesus was resurrected.

What has Obama done against the Christian community? I think he has left y'all alone.

[Goat]

Sometimes there is a choice between plague and cholera. Romney will pursue policy only for the prosperous ones; Obama only for the poor ones. Romney is conservative, Obama are even a socialist, maybe a Communist. So voting for whom?
I think, that Obama is better for the USA because of social peace.

If you actually looked at the polices that Obama has put into place, none of them have been socialistic. Even the health care plan is using private insurance companies. THat's not socialism.

Now, if it was put to the single payer plan many support, that would be socialistic. However, a few programs in a socieity that are socialistic, doesn't mean it is socialism.

[The Ex-Mormon]

From my point of view the policy of Obama is socialist and the politics of Romney capitalist. I myself am politically closer to the social democracy; what in the USA approximately corresponds to the democrats.