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What do you believe?

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One of the difficult things about debating on a site such as this is trying to keep track of who believes what. Sometimes you can be arguing a point with say a Christian, only to find out that person has a different opinion to what you assumed. Eg Debating the concept of eternal suffering in Hell and finding out the Christian you debated with doesn’t believe Hell is eternal suffering.

I thought it would be handy to create a questionnaire that we can all answer (not just Christians all though it mainly revolves around biblical philosophies) that tells everyone our stance on certain issues. I’m hoping it might be a database we can refer to, to jog our memories of a person’s particular stance. I know I enjoy doing surveys like this, so perhaps there are others here too. It may be that people don’t want to do it, it may be that only a few will even bother, but I thought I’d try it out anyway.

The idea is to answer the questions with very basic answers. Hopefully one word answers, but no more than a sentence. (I have given sample answers, but you aren’t limited to those). No need to back up your views with scripture or anything. The idea of this thread is not to debate issues but just to allow people to know where each of us stands. Some of the questions do assume there is a God, but an atheist should still be able to answer them eg if the question is “Is God omniscient� then you can answer “no� based on the fact you don’t believe in God. Or you can answer based on what you believe God would be according to your observations.

Feel free to skip any questions you don’t want to answer or just can’t answer.

1. Do you believe in God? Yes/No/Uncertain Who?
2. Do you blame God for what’s wrong in your life and in this world? Yes/no? How can I blame something I don’t believe in?
3. The only way to God is through Jesus Christ yes/no/Unsure/Not relevant to me
4. Christianity is a religion Yes/No
5. Christianity is a relationship with God Yes/No
6. Catholics are Christian Yes/No
7. Believing in Christ is a choice Yes/No/You can’t choose to believe something, you either do or you don’t believe.
8. The Bible is… The infallible word of God/Inspired by God/Man’s beliefs about God
9. It requires the holy spirit to understand scripture. Yes/No
10. There are contradictions in the bible Yes/No
11. The gospels are eye witness accounts Yes/no/It’s all heresay
12. The creation story is literal history Yes/No
13. Noah’s Ark and the great flood is a true story Yes/No
It was a local flood Yes/No
It covered the entire world Yes/No
14. God is omniscient (knows everything there is to know including future events) Yes/No
15. God is omnipotent (all powerful) Yes/No
16. God is omnipresent (everywhere) Yes/No/If he chooses to be
17. God is loving Yes/No
18. God is just Yes/No
19. God is merciful Yes/No
20. God is perfect Yes/No
21. God answers prayer Yes/No/Some times
22. God protects his followers Yes/No/Some times
23. God requires works rather than faith Yes/No
24. God violates freewill yes/no/some times
25. God always keeps his promises: Yes/No
26. God sins (based on the bible definition of what sin is) Yes/No
27. Morals: Come from God/Come as a result of evolution
28. Miracles do happen these days Yes/No
29. Hell is… Eternal suffering/Death by fire/the Grave/On Earth
30. God created Hell Yes/No
31. God created Satan Yes/No
32. Young children and babies will go to hell if they are not saved Yes/No
33. People who have never heard the gospel will go to Hell Yes/No
34. Suffering is: God testing us/A result of Satan’s activities/Adam and Eve’s fault/A result of evolution
35. The earth is: around 6-7000 years old/Millions of years old
36. God used evolution to create life Yes/No/Evolution has no intelligence behind it.
37. Sin = Evil things that people do/Actions God hates/ Actions religious leaders hate/Human nature
38. Homosexuality is a sin Yes/No
39. Atheists are evil Yes/No
40. Salvation = Once saved always saved/Requires actions to maintain/There is no such thing
41. You must be baptized to be saved: Yes/No/Unsure
42. Ex Christians were: Never true Christians to begin with/Were Christians but deconverted for some reason
43. Rank in order of importance: Faith, Knowledge, Critical thinking, Belief, Hope
44. What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit = (describe in one or two sentences if possible)
45. What does it take to consider yourself a true Christian? (Try to keep your answer as brief as possible)
Last edited by OnceConvinced on Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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Re: What do you believe?

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My answers (in many I am assuming God is the God of the bible):

1. Do you believe in God? It's very unlikely there is a god
2. Do you blame God for what’s wrong in your life and in this world? How can I blame something I don’t believe in?
3. The only way to God is through Jesus Christ If God is real I doubt this.
4. Christianity is a religion Yes
5. Christianity is a relationship with God A rather disjointed one if it is
6. Catholics are Christian Yes
7. Believing in Christ is a choice You can’t choose to believe something, you either do or you don’t believe.
8. The Bible is… Man’s beliefs about God
9. It requires the holy spirit to understand scripture. No, It's all a matter of perspective
10. There are contradictions in the bible Yes
11. The gospels are eye witness accounts It’s all heresay
12. The creation story is literal history No
13. Noah’s Ark and the great flood is a true story No
14. God is omniscient (knows everything there is to know including future events) No
15. God is omnipotent (all powerful) Doubt it
16. God is omnipresent (everywhere) Maybe... If he chooses to be
17. God is loving Only to his favoured humans, but even then it depends on what they do
18. God is just Not the bible God
19. God is merciful Not the bible God
20. God is perfect No
21. God answers prayer Don't think so
22. God protects his followers Very rarely if ever
23. God requires works rather than faith He requires both
24. God violates freewill going by the bible - some times
25. God always keeps his promises: No
26. God sins (based on the bible definition of what sin is) Going by the bible, yes
27. Morals: Come as a result of evolution
28. Miracles do happen these days No.
29. Hell is… the Grave
30. God created Hell If Hell is a place of fire or eternal torture and God is real, then yes.
31. God created Satan Yes if God and Satan are real
32. Young children and babies will go to hell if they are not saved No, if Hell really is death by fire or eternal torture, I can't believe that God would be that cruel
33. People who have never heard the gospel will go to Hell No. Same reason as before
34. Suffering is: A result of evolution
35. The earth is: Millions of years old
36. God used evolution to create life Unknown. Inclined to believe that evolution is a natural process with no intelligence behind it.
37. Sin = Human nature/things that religious leaders decided they didn't like
38. Homosexuality is a sin If it is, then it's just like any other sin and as a result of human nature.
39. Atheists are evil No
40. Salvation = Unlikely
41. You must be baptized to be saved: No
42. Ex Christians were: Christians but deconverted for some reason
43. Rank in order of importance: Critical thinking, Knowledge, Hope, Faith, Belief.
44. What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit = supposedly to bring unity amongst Christians by guiding them and helping them understand scripture. To help give them strength and guidance.
45. What does it take to consider yourself a true Christian?
Supposedly all it should take is a genuine belief in Christ and repentence.

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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1. Do you believe in God?No
2. Do you blame God for what’s wrong in your life and in this world?No
3. The only way to God is through Jesus Christ N/A
4. Christianity is a religion Yes
5. Christianity is a relationship with God No
6. Catholics are Christian Yes
7. Believing in Christ is a choice No
8. The Bible is… A book of fables
9. It requires the holy spirit to understand scripture. Only because you have to grant someone authority to have it judged that you understand it.
10. There are contradictions in the bible Yes
11. The gospels are eye witness accounts No
12. The creation story is literal history No
13. Noah’s Ark and the great flood is a true story No
It was a local flood Why do I care
It covered the entire world No
14. God is omniscient (knows everything there is to know including future events) N/A
15. God is omnipotent (all powerful) N/A
16. God is omnipresent (everywhere) N/A
17. God is loving N/A
18. God is just N/A
19. God is merciful N/A
20. God is perfect N/A
21. God answers prayer No
22. God protects his followers No
23. God requires works rather than faith N/A
24. God violates freewill N/A
25. God always keeps his promises: N/A
26. God sins (based on the bible definition of what sin is) N/A
27. Morals: Are a social compulsion to put social benefit before our own in the interest of our offspring
28. Miracles do happen these days No
29. Hell is… A myth
30. God created Hell N/A
31. God created Satan N/A
32. Young children and babies will go to hell if they are not saved N/A
33. People who have never heard the gospel will go to Hell N/A
34. Suffering is: part of our existence as a temporal being
35. The earth is: Millions of years old
36. God used evolution to create life No[/color]
37. Sin = A social convention regarding some types of behavior
38. Homosexuality is a sin No
39. Atheists are evil No
40. Salvation =Another myth
41. You must be baptized to be saved:N/A
42. Ex Christians were: enlightened
43. Rank in order of importance: Knowledge, Critical thinking, Belief, Hope, Faith
44. What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit = Another part of the myth
45. What does it take to consider yourself a true Christian? Finding the right authority upon whose authority you make your proclamation
If all the ignorance in the world passed a second ago, what would you say? Who would you obey?

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Re: What do you believe?

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OnceConvinced wrote:One of the difficult things about debating on a site such as this is trying to keep track of who believes what.
I hope that some of the theists post so that we can have a scorecard.

1. Do you believe in God? No
2. Do you blame God for what’s wrong in your life and in this world? How can I blame something I don’t believe in?
3. The only way to God is through Jesus Christ Not relevant to me
4. Christianity is a religion Yes
5. Christianity is a relationship with God
6. Catholics are Christian Yes
7. Believing in Christ is a choice You can’t choose to believe something, you either do or you don’t believe.
8. The Bible is… Some human’s beliefs about God
9. It requires the holy spirit to understand scripture. It certainly requires some form of magic.
10. There are contradictions in the bible No
11. The gospels are eye witness accounts no
12. The creation story is literal history No
13. Noah’s Ark and the great flood is a true story No
It was a local flood
It covered the entire world

For the following questions, God refers not to any existing entity, but to the entity described in the writings known to the Christians as the Bible.

14. God is omniscient (knows everything there is to know including future events) Yes
15. God is omnipotent (all powerful) Yes
16. God is omnipresent (everywhere) Yes
17. God is loving No
18. God is just No
19. God is merciful Selectively
20. God is perfect No
21. God answers prayer Yes
22. God protects his followers Yes
23. God requires works rather than faith Yes
24. God violates freewill some times
25. God always keeps his promises:
26. God sins (based on the bible definition of what sin is) Yes

End of God. (OK, end of the specific definition of God prior to question 14)

27. Morals: Come as a result of evolution
28. Miracles do happen these days No
29. Hell is… not
30. God created Hell Yes, according to the Bible. In reality, hell does not exist.
31. God created Satan Yes, according to the Bible. In reality, satan cannot be shown to exist.
32. Young children and babies will go to hell if they are not saved Yes/No
33. People who have never heard the gospel will go to Hell No
34. Suffering is: A result of nature
35. The earth is: Millions of years old
36. God used evolution to create life Evolution has no intelligence behind it.
37. Sin =
38. Homosexuality is a sin No
39. Atheists are evil No
40. Salvation = There is no such thing
41. You must be baptized to be saved: Yes, according to the Bible
42. Ex Christians were: Were Christians but deconverted for some reason
43. Rank in order of importance: Critical thinking, Knowledge,
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1- No
2- No
3- No, ain't no god to get to
4- Yes
5- Yes
6- Yes
7- Yes, insofar...
8- Ancient beliefs, smattering of truth possible
9- No
10- Yes
11- Hearsay, "Pictures or it didn't happen"
12- No
13- No
13a- Possibly
13b- No
Most of these next several predicated on no god, not necessarily what the Bible says:
14- No
15- No
16- No
17- No
18- No
19- No
20- No
21- No
22- No
23- No
24- No
25- No
26- No
27- Not God
28- No
29- Nonexistant
30- No
31- No
32- No
33- No
34- Multiple causes, but not as a direct result of a god or gods, often caused by a god's adherents
35- Old, I mean old, man. Not Bible old, I mean just younger'n Granny Gable down to the store.
36- No
37- Religious notion
38- No; sin is only a religious notion
39- No; sin is only a religious notion
40- No such critter
41- No, ain't no god to get saved for
42- Many reasons
43- Critical thinking, knowledge, trashheap for the rest
44- To get folks to believe in one heck of a tall tale
45- Me? God slapping me and holler'n, "Now you straighten up and act right".
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1. Do you believe in God? No.

2. Do you blame God for what’s wrong in your life and in this world? How can I blame something I don’t believe in?

3. The only way to God is through Jesus Christ Not relevant to me

4. Christianity is a religion Yes

5. Christianity is a relationship with God No

6. Catholics are Christian Yes

7. Believing in Christ is a choice You can’t choose to believe something, you either do or you don’t believe.

8. The Bible is… Man’s beliefs about God

9. It requires the holy spirit to understand scripture. No

10. There are contradictions in the bible Yes

11. The gospels are eye witness accounts It’s all hearsay

12. The creation story is literal history No

13. Noah’s Ark and the great flood is a true story No

14. God is omniscient (knows everything there is to know including future events) No

15. God is omnipotent (all powerful) No

16. God is omnipresent (everywhere) No

17. God is loving No

18. God is just No

19. God is merciful No

20. God is perfect No

21. God answers prayer No

22. God protects his followers No

23. God requires works rather than faith Not appplicable to me

24. God violates freewill no

25. God always keeps his promises: No

26. God sins (based on the bible definition of what sin is) No

27. Morals: Come as a result of evolution

28. Miracles do happen these days No

29. Hell is… not real

30. God created Hell God is not real

31. God created Satan God is not real

32. Young children and babies will go to hell if they are not saved Hell is not real.

33. People who have never heard the gospel will go to Hell hell is not real

34. Suffering is: part of life

35. The earth is: billions of years old

36. God used evolution to create life Evolution has no intelligence behind it.

37. Sin = a religious concept

38. Homosexuality is a sin No

39. Atheists are evil No

40. Salvation = There is no such thing

41. You must be baptized to be saved: No

42. Ex Christians were: Christians but deconverted for some reason

43. Rank in order of importance: Critical thinking, Knowledge, Belief, Hope, Faith

44. What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit = Beats me. What is the purpose of The Force?

45. What does it take to consider yourself a true Christian? a belief that Jesus was the son of God, sent to sacrifice himself for the sins of humankind.[/quote]
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1. Do you believe in God? Yes.

2. Do you blame God for what’s wrong in your life and in this world? No.

3. The only way to God is through Jesus Christ No.

4. Christianity is a religion Yes.

5. Christianity is a relationship with God No.

6. Catholics are Christian Yes.

7. Believing in Christ is a choice Yes.

8. The Bible is… Man’s beliefs about God

9. It requires the holy spirit to understand scripture. No.

10. There are contradictions in the bible Yes.

11. The gospels are eye witness accounts No.

12. The creation story is literal history No.

13. Noah’s Ark and the great flood is a true story No.

It was a local flood Maybe the story started with one.

It covered the entire world No.

14. God is omniscient (knows everything there is to know including future events) Unknown.

15. God is omnipotent (all powerful) ]Unknown.

16. God is omnipresent (everywhere) ]Unknown.

17. God is loving ]Unknown; probably not.

18. God is just We hope so.

19. God is merciful Ditto.

20. God is perfect ]Unknown.

21. God answers prayer Maybe, but don't count on it.

22. God protects his followers No.

23. God [strike]requires[/strike] prefers works rather than faith Yes.

24. God violates freewill No.

25. God always keeps his promises: What promises?

26. God sins (based on the bible definition of what sin is) ]Unknown.

27. Morals: are built into reality, like physics & logic.

28. Miracles do happen these days maybe, but don't count on it.

29. Hell is… Fictional.

30. God created Hell No.

31. God created Satan Another fiction.

32. Young children and babies will go to hell if they are not saved Duh. No.

33. People who have never heard the gospel will go to Hell No.

34. Suffering is: An aspect of existence.

35. The earth is: [strike]Millions[/strike] Billions of years old

36. God used evolution to create life No. Evolution works on its own. The precise meaning of "Creation" is uncertain.

37. Sin = Different in Judaism than in Christianity. "Not recommended."

38. Homosexuality is a sin No.

39. Atheists are evil No.

40. Salvation = From what?

41. You must be baptized to be saved: No.

42. Ex Christians: Were Christians but deconverted for some reason

43. Rank in order of importance:

Critical thinking

Knowledge

Belief (specifics optional)


44. What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit = (describe in one or two sentences if possible)

What's that?

45. What does it take to consider yourself a true Christian? (Try to keep your answer as brief as possible)

Beats me. Not being a Jew, for starters. Otherwise I don't particularly care.

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1. Do you believe in God? Uncertain
2. Do you blame God for what’s wrong in your life and in this world? How can I blame something I don’t necessarily believe in?
3. The only way to God is through Jesus Christ no
4. Christianity is a religion Yes
5. Christianity is a relationship with God No
6. Catholics are Christian Yes
7. Believing in Christ is a choice Yes
8. The Bible is… Man’s beliefs about God
9. It requires the holy spirit to understand scripture. No
10. There are contradictions in the bible Yes
11. The gospels are eye witness accounts It’s all heresay
12. The creation story is literal history No
13. Noah’s Ark and the great flood is a true story No
It was a local flood Yes, that is possible
It covered the entire world No
14. God is omniscient (knows everything there is to know including future events) No
15. God is omnipotent (all powerful) No
16. God is omnipresent (everywhere) If he chooses to be
17. God is loving No
18. God is just No
19. God is merciful No
20. God is perfect No
21. God answers prayer No
22. God protects his followers No
23. God requires works rather than faith Yes
24. God violates freewill some times
25. God always keeps his promises: No
26. God sins (based on the bible definition of what sin is) Yes
27. Morals: Come as a result of evolution
28. Miracles do happen these days No
29. Hell is… the Grave/On Earth
30. God created Hell Yes, provided they are both real
31. God created Satan Yes
32. Young children and babies will go to hell if they are not saved No
33. People who have never heard the gospel will go to Hell No
34. Suffering is: A result of evolution
35. The earth is: Millions of years old
36. God used evolution to create life Evolution has no intelligence behind it.
37. Sin = Evil things that people do/ Actions religious leaders hate/Human nature
38. Homosexuality is a sin No
39. Atheists are evil No
40. Salvation = There is no such thing
41. You must be baptized to be saved: No
42. Ex Christians were: Were Christians but deconverted for some reason
43. Rank in order of importance: knowledge, Critical thinking, hope, belief, faith
44. What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit = No such thing
45. What does it take to consider yourself a true Christian? from my point of view, faith in the beliefs of Christianity plus the works to back it up
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1. Do you believe in God? Yes Who? Umm... the God of the Bible. :P
2. Do you blame God for what’s wrong in your life and in this world? No
3. The only way to God is through Jesus Christ Yes
4. Christianity is a religion Yes
5. Christianity is a relationship with God Yes
6. Catholics are Christian No
7. Believing in Christ is a choice Yes
8. The Bible is… The infallible word of God & Inspired by God
9. It requires the holy spirit to understand scripture. No
10. There are contradictions in the bible No
11. The gospels are eye witness accounts No
12. The creation story is literal history Yes
13. Noah’s Ark and the great flood is a true story Yes
It was a local flood No
It covered the entire world Yes
14. God is omniscient (knows everything there is to know including future events) Yes
15. God is omnipotent (all powerful) Yes
16. God is omnipresent (everywhere) Yes
17. God is loving Yes
18. God is just Yes
19. God is merciful Yes
20. God is perfect Yes
21. God answers prayer Yes--not necessarily with "yes".
22. God protects his followers Not being given what He protects them from, I'm going to say "sometimes".
23. God requires works rather than faith No
24. God violates freewill Free will? What free will?
25. God always keeps his promises: Yes
26. God sins (based on the bible definition of what sin is) No
27. Morals: Come from God
28. Miracles do happen these days Yes--if miracles="divine intervention"
29. Hell is… Eternal suffering
30. God created Hell Yes
31. God created Satan Yes--God created Lucifer, who became Satan.
32. Young children and babies will go to hell if they are not saved I'm not sure what the point of this question is other than to stir up emotions, but yes.
33. People who have never heard the gospel will go to Hell Uncertain at the moment.
34. Suffering is: Caused by the Fall
35. The earth is: around 6-10,000 years old
36. God used evolution to create life No
37. Sin = Evil things that people do/Actions God hates/Human nature
38. Homosexuality is a sin Yes
39. Atheists are [inherently] evil Yes(as are all unregenerate persons...)
40. Salvation = A gift of God, totally unwarranted
41. You must be baptized to be saved: No
42. Ex Christians were: Either a) Never true Christians to begin with; b) elect that God will eventually draw back to Him.
43. Rank in order of importance: Basic Assumptions(Faith), Knowledge, Critical thinking, Belief, Hope--but the greatest of these is love. ;)
44. What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit = Sovereign regeneration of the sinner via the proclamation of the Gospel.
45. What does it take to consider yourself a true Christian? You must repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ.

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Do you believe in God? Yes
Do you blame God for what’s wrong in your life and in this world? No
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ Yes
Christianity is a religion Yes
Christianity is a relationship with God No, Christianity is a religion.
Catholics are Christian Yes
Believing in Christ is a choice Yes
The Bible is… The infallable word of God.
There are contradictions in the bible No
The gospels are eye witness accounts Yes, the gospels are accounts of eyewitnesses.
The creation story is literal history Yes
Noah’s Ark and the great flood is a true story Yes
It was a local flood No
It covered the entire world Yes
God is omniscient (knows everything there is to know including future events) Yes
God is omnipotent (all powerful) Yes
God is omnipresent (everywhere)Can be
God is loving Yes
God is just Yes
God is merciful Yes
God is perfect Yes
God answers prayer Yes
God protects his followers Yes
God requires works rather than faith No
God always keeps his promises: Yes
God sins No
Morals: Come from God
Miracles do happen these days Yes
God created Satan Yes
Young children and babies will go to hell if they are not saved No
Suffering is: subjective
The earth is: around 6-7000 years old
God used evolution to create life No
Sin = Evil things that people do/ Actions God hates
Homosexuality is a sin Yes
Atheists are wrong Yes
You must be baptized with the Holy Spirit to be saved: Yes
Ex Christians Who knows?
Rank in order of importance: Belief, Knowledge, Faith, Hope, Critical thinking

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