? A Question For All Former Christians Who Fell Away ?

[YahDough]

This is a question addressed only to former Christians who have left the faith.

Why did you become a Christian?
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[dianaiad]

It is impossible that Yahdough understands the Bible or what a God would want. It's offensive that God would use such a poor example of humanity to convey His desires.

No offense, Yahdough, but I'm sure God asks more of us than quoting the Bible when engaged in debate about God.

Of course, God doesn't exist, so everything Yahdough says is comical - if it weren't so offensive to Reason and civil discourse.

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[Wolfbitn]

[Replying to post 135 by Ooberman]

So if a kid puts his hand on a stove turned up on high and burns his hand, is it the parents fault? Is the parent then responsible to remove the burn, or should things like this teach us common sense??

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[McCulloch]

God, according to the Christians, is like the abusive father who expects his children to be grateful when he withholds his beatings from them.

According to what Christians? I think you mean according to the "ex-Christians".
But I am grateful God helps me to live a life that is worthy of blessings from Him and not "beatings".

No, according to Christians. They say that we deserve eternal torment for our sins. This torment is due to us because God said so. We are all sinners, we cannot help but to be that. The punishment for sins is a decision God has made. But the Christians believe that they have found redemption in Jesus' sacrifice. They avoid the punishment that we are told we all deserve. And they believe that they should be grateful for this atonement.

[YahDough]

God, according to the Christians, is like the abusive father who expects his children to be grateful when he withholds his beatings from them.

According to what Christians? I think you mean according to the "ex-Christians".
But I am grateful God helps me to live a life that is worthy of blessings from Him and not "beatings".

No, according to Christians. They say that we deserve eternal torment for our sins.

What do you mean by "eternal"? Judgment for all a given, but everlasting torment for finite sins is false teaching. That would make God unjust.

This torment is due to us because God said so.

Where does God say "everlasting torment" for anyone. That's dogma.

We are all sinners, we cannot help but to be that.

With the help of God we can quit sinning. If fact, that is a requirement.

The punishment for sins is a decision God has made. But the Christians believe that they have found redemption in Jesus' sacrifice. They avoid the punishment that we are told we all deserve. And they believe that they should be grateful for this atonement.

Amen. Believers are not appointed to the wrath of God. An atoned life consecrated to God should express gratitude to the Creator.

[UNBeliever905]

I became a christian because i was born into a family of Irish Catholic immigrants and was indoctrinated before i could speak or more importantly, think

[postroad]

With the help of God we can quit sinning. If fact, that is a requirement.

It would better be instantaneous and complete or else you become a blasphemer of the Holy Ghost!

Hebrews 10:26-27

New International Version (NIV)


26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

[McCulloch]

We are all sinners, we cannot help but to be that.

With the help of God we can quit sinning. If fact, that is a requirement.

But according to Christian teaching, we have all been sinners. If anyone claims not to have been, they are lying. If god punishes anyone, it will be for something we could not have possibly avoided.

[YahDough]

We are all sinners, we cannot help but to be that.

With the help of God we can quit sinning. If fact, that is a requirement.

But according to Christian teaching, we have all been sinners. If anyone claims not to have been, they are lying. If god punishes anyone, it will be for something we could not have possibly avoided.

Your key words "...have all been sinners." In Christ, it is what we are and will be, not what we have been.


2Cor:5:17: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 147 by YahDough]


How is it that believers are still under judgement?

1 Corinthians 11:29-31

New International Version (NIV)


29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment.

[YahDough]

[Replying to post 147 by YahDough]

How is it that believers are still under judgement?

You said it yourself a couple posts back:

Hebrews 10:26-27
New International Version (NIV)
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

Repentance for a believer is to be accompanied by a life consecrated to the will of God, in Christ.