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Recently, I came across the fact there are 'messianic Muslims'. TO me, it looks like the same kind of attempt for promoting Christianity that certain evangelistic Christians did with the 'messianic Judaism' movement.

Could you give me your opinion of it?

http://messianicmuslims.com/
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What a cheezy looking website. There is zero information there.

"Messianic Muslims" doesn't make sense to me. Are they trying to say that Jesus is the Twelfth Imam?
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

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Goat wrote:Recently, I came across the fact there are 'messianic Muslims'. TO me, it looks like the same kind of attempt for promoting Christianity that certain evangelistic Christians did with the 'messianic Judaism' movement.
Muslims are already Messianic :D

Its an attempt by Christian evangalists to indoctrinate muslims with their doctrines of "Atonement/Trinity/Hypostatic Union" etc.. No such sect within Islam exists. Take a look at JewsforJesus for example, a bunch of fundamentalist Christians found out they have Jewish roots, & ever since they have been using it as an excuse to convert Jews.
Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" without being put to the test?
We have tested those before them, for GOD must distinguish those who are truthful, and He must expose the liars.

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Goat wrote:Recently, I came across the fact there are 'messianic Muslims'. TO me, it looks like the same kind of attempt for promoting Christianity that certain evangelistic Christians did with the 'messianic Judaism' movement.

Could you give me your opinion of it?

http://messianicmuslims.com/
If they're Messianic christian why can't their be Messianic Muslims also Any way the Qur'aan speak hight-ly of Isa son of mary .

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For what it is worth, here are some Christian objections to the idea.
http://www.letusreason.org/Current57.htm

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If Muslims reject Jesus as the Son of God (the Messiah) and deny His atoning sacrifice; then they deny the who of Christianity, and the way to God.
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ThatGirlAgain wrote:For what it is worth, here are some Christian objections to the idea.
http://www.letusreason.org/Current57.htm

A sample:
If Muslims reject Jesus as the Son of God (the Messiah) and deny His atoning sacrifice; then they deny the who of Christianity, and the way to God.

And christian rejects The Prophet Muhammad as a Prophet . Where in the Qur'aan it speaks Highly of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ,


Fourteen times as the Son of Mary , Ibn Maryam ) alone or with some other title; 5 ; 19 ( twice ), 49 ; 78 , 113 , 115 , 117 , 119 , 9 ; 31 , 19 ; 34 , 23 ; 50 , 43 ; 57 , 57 ; 27 , 61 ; 6 .

Once as the sign of the hour -- Alamus Saa'ati ) ; 43 ; 61

Eleven times as Rasuwl , 2 ; 87 , 3 ; 49 , 4 ; 157 , 5 ; 78 , 57 ; 27 , 2 ; 253 , 3 ; 52 - 53 , 4 ; 171 , 5 ; 114 , 61 ; 6 ,

The Messiah Jesus is mentioned on the Qur'an nine times named in conjuction with other Prophets ; 2; 136 , 3 ; 84 , 4 ; 163 , 5 ; 81 , 33 ; 7 , 42 ; 13 , 57 ; 26 - 27 , 6 ; 85 ,

The Messiah Jesus is mentioned as Isa in the Qur'an 10 times; 2 ; 136 , 3 ; 51 , 3 ; 54 , 3 ; 59 , 3 ; 84 , 4 ; 163 , 6 ; 85 , 42 ; 13 , 19 ; 34 , 43 ; 63 ,

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Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
ThatGirlAgain wrote:For what it is worth, here are some Christian objections to the idea.
http://www.letusreason.org/Current57.htm

A sample:
If Muslims reject Jesus as the Son of God (the Messiah) and deny His atoning sacrifice; then they deny the who of Christianity, and the way to God.

And christian rejects The Prophet Muhammad as a Prophet . Where in the Qur'aan it speaks Highly of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ,


Fourteen times as the Son of Mary , Ibn Maryam ) alone or with some other title; 5 ; 19 ( twice ), 49 ; 78 , 113 , 115 , 117 , 119 , 9 ; 31 , 19 ; 34 , 23 ; 50 , 43 ; 57 , 57 ; 27 , 61 ; 6 .

Once as the sign of the hour -- Alamus Saa'ati ) ; 43 ; 61

Eleven times as Rasuwl , 2 ; 87 , 3 ; 49 , 4 ; 157 , 5 ; 78 , 57 ; 27 , 2 ; 253 , 3 ; 52 - 53 , 4 ; 171 , 5 ; 114 , 61 ; 6 ,

The Messiah Jesus is mentioned on the Qur'an nine times named in conjuction with other Prophets ; 2; 136 , 3 ; 84 , 4 ; 163 , 5 ; 81 , 33 ; 7 , 42 ; 13 , 57 ; 26 - 27 , 6 ; 85 ,

The Messiah Jesus is mentioned as Isa in the Qur'an 10 times; 2 ; 136 , 3 ; 51 , 3 ; 54 , 3 ; 59 , 3 ; 84 , 4 ; 163 , 6 ; 85 , 42 ; 13 , 19 ; 34 , 43 ; 63 ,

Don't believe everything your told to read , Until you check it out for yourself . This way your keep the Egg off your face .
No egg on my face. I am not a Christian. I was just pointing out that for many Christians there is a fundamental philosophical difference between Christianity and Islam, as there is between Christianity and Judaism. That difference is that in the overwhelming majority of Christian sects, Jesus provided an atoning sacrifice that is the means to salvation. This is not necessarily the same as requiring belief in that sacrifice. Many Protestants hold to that exclusivist view. Catholics do not. To Catholics and some Protestants, Muslims (or anyone) who honestly try to live a moral life by what they believe is right is eligible for salvation.

I fully understand that in Islam Jesus is a very important prophet and the Messiah promised in the Jewish scriptures. There have been times and places when all people of the book got along together just fine. The historical and present day bad blood is generally traceable to someone wanting power, wealth and/or territory to the detriment of someone else, not religious or philosophical differences.

Heres to friendly discussion and a friendlier world.
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ThatGirlAgain wrote:
Malachi-Zede-El wrote:
ThatGirlAgain wrote:For what it is worth, here are some Christian objections to the idea.
http://www.letusreason.org/Current57.htm

A sample:
If Muslims reject Jesus as the Son of God (the Messiah) and deny His atoning sacrifice; then they deny the who of Christianity, and the way to God.



< The historical and present day bad blood is generally traceable to someone wanting power, wealth and/or territory to the detriment of someone else, not religious or philosophical differences. < Very good point here power, wealth and/or territory > Let not forget one of the powerful tool use today is the Media >




And christian rejects The Prophet Muhammad as a Prophet . Where in the Qur'aan it speaks Highly of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus ,


Fourteen times as the Son of Mary , Ibn Maryam ) alone or with some other title; 5 ; 19 ( twice ), 49 ; 78 , 113 , 115 , 117 , 119 , 9 ; 31 , 19 ; 34 , 23 ; 50 , 43 ; 57 , 57 ; 27 , 61 ; 6 .

Once as the sign of the hour -- Alamus Saa'ati ) ; 43 ; 61

Eleven times as Rasuwl , 2 ; 87 , 3 ; 49 , 4 ; 157 , 5 ; 78 , 57 ; 27 , 2 ; 253 , 3 ; 52 - 53 , 4 ; 171 , 5 ; 114 , 61 ; 6 ,

The Messiah Jesus is mentioned on the Qur'an nine times named in conjuction with other Prophets ; 2; 136 , 3 ; 84 , 4 ; 163 , 5 ; 81 , 33 ; 7 , 42 ; 13 , 57 ; 26 - 27 , 6 ; 85 ,

The Messiah Jesus is mentioned as Isa in the Qur'an 10 times; 2 ; 136 , 3 ; 51 , 3 ; 54 , 3 ; 59 , 3 ; 84 , 4 ; 163 , 6 ; 85 , 42 ; 13 , 19 ; 34 , 43 ; 63 ,

Don't believe everything your told to read , Until you check it out for yourself . This way your keep the Egg off your face .
No egg on my face. I am not a Christian. I was just pointing out that for many Christians there is a fundamental philosophical difference between Christianity and Islam, as there is between Christianity and Judaism. That difference is that in the overwhelming majority of Christian sects, Jesus provided an atoning sacrifice that is the means to salvation. This is not necessarily the same as requiring belief in that sacrifice. Many Protestants hold to that exclusivist view. Catholics do not. To Catholics and some Protestants, Muslims (or anyone) who honestly try to live a moral life by what they believe is right is eligible for salvation.

I fully understand that in Islam Jesus is a very important prophet and the Messiah promised in the Jewish scriptures. There have been times and places when all people of the book got along together just fine. The historical and present day bad blood is generally traceable to someone wanting power, wealth and/or territory to the detriment of someone else, not religious or philosophical differences.

Heres to friendly discussion and a friendlier world.

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I had a dream about Messianic Muslims last night. In my dream I came across their website, except it was called Crosslam, because they called themselves Crosslims. It sounds extraordinarily silly when I mention it now though :lol:
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As a pluralist I say...

What ever floats your boat.

As one who trys to follow the details of the alleged plot.
I'm going to have to suspend my disbelief on this one.

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