Why do LGBT people exist . . .

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Why do LGBT people exist . . .

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It seems the very existence of LGBT people (individuals who are born lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender) is strong evidence against the existence of a heterosexist and cissexist deity. Consider this argument (I'm assuming, for the sake of argument, that a God exists):


Premise 1: God exists
Premise 2: God is omniscient (having knowledge of all true propositions)
Premise 3: God is omnipotent (having the ability to bring about any logically possible state of affairs)
Premise 4: God is heterosexist (believing that heterosexuality is superior to non-heterosexuality) and cissexist (believing that cisgender is superior to transgender)
Premise 5: From Premise 2, it follows that God would know how to create a world without LGBT people
Premise 6: From Premise 3, it follows that God would have the power to create a world without LGBT people
Premise 7: From Premise 4, it follows that God would want to create a world without LGBT people
Premise 8: From Premises 5, 6, and 7, it follows that it is highly probable that LGBT people do not exist
Premise 9: LGBT people exist
Conclusion: Therefore, from Premises 8 and 9, it is highly probable that a heterosexist, cissexist, omniscient, and omnipotent God does not exist.


Debate question: Is this argument sound? Does the mere existence of LGBT people invalidate the existence of a heterosexist and cissexist (omniscient and omnipotent) deity? Why or why not?
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Re: Why do LGBT people exist . . .

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Divine Insight wrote: I think there is a fundamental flaw in your comparison between an intentional creator God and natural evolution. They really can't be compared.
There is a thing called chaos theory, which has a concept called a "strange attractor", and there is the basic fact that DNA does not have the bandwidth to dictate the complete point-to-point wire list for the brain as we do for undersea warfare systems. So fetal brain wiring is a storm of controlled chaos that settles down around configurations that have different probabilities:

Right handed vs. left handed.
Cis-gendered vs. trans-gendered.
Heterosexual vs. homosexual.

That's all there is to it, except for the Bronze Age books that recommend censure or even the death penalty for having settled in in one of the lesser-probable strange attractors. These books also offer such sage advice as fasting and praying to eliminate the demons that cause a person to be mute.
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