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Are homosexual relations sinful?

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In Australia we're currently enduring a postal vote about gay marriage, and the Christian rhetoric which has inevitably been cropping up has reminded me of some thoughts I'd initially had back in 2006.
  • Tuesday, 9 May 2006
    It occurs to me that Christianity may very well have the wrong end of the stick in their view of God. If nothing else, surely what the old testament and the gospels teach us is that God is a covenant God. Jesus said that his blood was the blood of the new covenant; looking back, the Mosaic law is described as the old covenant; he made covenants also with Abraham and David. Perhaps we should not think of God as one who simply sits in the clouds handing out laws. Rather, he is a God who makes covenants with his people; fellowship in return for blessing. . . .

    With the people of Israel God made two covenants. The first was at Sinai, beginning with the ten commandments covering chapters 20 to 23 of Exodus. These are almost exclusively commandments of worship for God and social justice amongst the Israelites, with very little about sacrifical specifications or ritual purity. Chapter 24 describes the confirmation of this covenant and the people's agreement to abide by the terms written within the 'book of the covenant.' The second covenant was made in the lands east of the Jordan River, before Moses died and the people crossed over (Deuteronomy 29:1), and covers chapters 5 to 28 of Deuteronomy (with the earlier chapters being the preamble). Laws concerning such things as legal cases, the king, cities of refuge and warfare regulations (chapters 17 to 20) make it clear that this is essentially the constitution of the new nation of Israel.
The bible does not say that God gave any rules or commandments at all to Adam and Eve, except the bit about the tree; and similarly, Jeremiah clearly states that the new covenant to come would be "not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt" (Jer. 31:31). In commenting on that passage the author of Hebrews writes "In that he says, “A new covenant,� he has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" (Heb. 8:13).

How can it be that at one time it was "sinful" to sow a field with two kinds of seed, or wear a garment made of two kinds of cloth (Leviticus 19:19), yet Christians now would almost universally consider these to be silly and outdated concepts? Why did commands like that exist in the first place? I believe they were intended to ingrain into the Israelite people the concept of their separateness from the nations around them, to reinforce and strengthen their own national identity. But then, that same kind of practical purpose seems to obviously underlie the prohibition against same-sex relations too (or the exclusion of anyone who'd suffered genital injuries in Deut. 23:1): A small nation surrounded by enemies would likely need all its people breeding to maintain its strength. Crude and even cruel though those laws may have been, at least we might be able to glean a worthy intention behind them.

But the Christian concept of "sin" as it is usually expressed seems to be utterly blind to the fact that these were part of a covenant - an agreement - between God and Israel, one which the author of Hebrews declared to be obsolete. And according to Jeremiah the new covenant is not to be found in letters of stone or ink in a book; instead "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor or a man his brother, saying 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest" (Jer. 31:31-34). (See also my earlier thread Did apostles think they were writing the 'word of God'?)

Likewise Paul - though he himself remained hung up on homosexuality - captures the more individual nature of the New Agreement perfectly, even as he downplays the everlasting covenant of circumcision:
  • Galatians 5:1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. 2 Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. . . .
    13 For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.� 15 But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.


    Romans 14:10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.’�
    12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God. 13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.
Have Christians got the wrong idea of "sin"?

And if the essence of God's will is simply that "You shall love your neighbour as yourself," as Paul says, isn't homosexuality one of the most obvious examples in which freedom in Christ replaces the situational rules of Israel?

An example in fact where Christian attitudes often seem to be almost the opposite of love?

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Icey wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:23 pm
Miles wrote: So I take it you believe in sin, but feel people are allowed to determine it for themselves?
I don't believe in sin, as it's defined by Christians (even IF all Christians could agree on what is or isn't a sin, which hasn't been possible thus far).
Actually, there is a well agreed upon definition: "Sin is a transgression against divine law." So if people can find a divine law against doing X then doing X amounts to committing a sin. And while not stated as a law most Christians and Jews feel god's abhorrence of homosexual sex suffices as such.

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
(Leviticus 18:22)
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)


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Re: Are homosexual relations sinful?

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Miles wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:37 pm
Icey wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:23 pm
Miles wrote: So I take it you believe in sin, but feel people are allowed to determine it for themselves?
I don't believe in sin, as it's defined by Christians (even IF all Christians could agree on what is or isn't a sin, which hasn't been possible thus far).
Actually, there is a well agreed upon definition: "Sin is a transgression against divine law." So if people can find a divine law against doing X then doing X amounts to committing a sin. And while not stated as a law most Christians and Jews feel god's abhorrence of homosexual sex suffices as such.

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
(Leviticus 18:22)
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)


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People much more educated on what is and is not a sin than either one of us have differing opinions on this issues so nothing will be settled here.
Personally, I don't believe in any sin - it's a silly concept: how can something as finite and small as me do anything to 'sin against' something so grandiose as an infinite being?
It's hyper-ridiculous IMO
Then you have the people shouting from mountain tops 'you're sinning' when they're just as bad, if not worse, than those they're trying to prove as wrong! It's so much more about control and being right than it is about helping anyone from my decade's worth of experience.
But some people like to be under the weight of sin and all it brings (masochists, perhaps?), have someone they have to impress, serve and worship - something that can't be proven ( I guess it's a safe house, of sorts, for them?). Some people like that feeling; they like to feel like something is in control and they have to bow down to it so it can protect them. They like to have something that can excuse them of their guilt that they feel. Some of these people turn to the 'sin/God' construct.
That's fine for them, I suppose, if that's what they want.
I prefer total freedom of guilt from an invisible, magical being that gets his pants up in a bunch when someone does something he doesn't like or doesn't want them to do (aka sin); from someone that kills just to appease his need to be 'all things', then seems to have a second personality later on.

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Re: Are homosexual relations sinful?

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Icey wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:53 am
Miles wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:37 pm
Icey wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:23 pm
Miles wrote: So I take it you believe in sin, but feel people are allowed to determine it for themselves?
I don't believe in sin, as it's defined by Christians (even IF all Christians could agree on what is or isn't a sin, which hasn't been possible thus far).
Actually, there is a well agreed upon definition: "Sin is a transgression against divine law." So if people can find a divine law against doing X then doing X amounts to committing a sin. And while not stated as a law most Christians and Jews feel god's abhorrence of homosexual sex suffices as such.

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
(Leviticus 18:22)
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)


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People much more educated on what is and is not a sin than either one of us have differing opinions on this issues so nothing will be settled here.
Personally, I don't believe in any sin - it's a silly concept: how can something as finite and small as me do anything to 'sin against' something so grandiose as an infinite being?
It's hyper-ridiculous IMO
Then you have the people shouting from mountain tops 'you're sinning' when they're just as bad, if not worse, than those they're trying to prove as wrong! It's so much more about control and being right than it is about helping anyone from my decade's worth of experience.
But some people like to be under the weight of sin and all it brings (masochists, perhaps?), have someone they have to impress, serve and worship - something that can't be proven ( I guess it's a safe house, of sorts, for them?). Some people like that feeling; they like to feel like something is in control and they have to bow down to it so it can protect them. They like to have something that can excuse them of their guilt that they feel. Some of these people turn to the 'sin/God' construct.
That's fine for them, I suppose, if that's what they want.
I prefer total freedom of guilt from an invisible, magical being that gets his pants up in a bunch when someone does something he doesn't like or doesn't want them to do (aka sin); from someone that kills just to appease his need to be 'all things', then seems to have a second personality later on.
If sin is a 'transgression against God's Law', and homosexuality is sin, then why is God's Law so strongly agin it? Why would God think homosexuality an 'abomination?' Don't get me wrong, I'm all for keeping God's Law - it leads to mental well-being. I just don't think God could care less what we get up to in bed, and with who, so long as we cause no harm. On the other hand, the way societies treat homosexuals often does do them considerable harm. That harm must be justified, or it is the expression of mere prejudice, and 'a bad thing'.

Finally, I would just like to propose that God gave us our critical faculties. One can only suppose that He intended for us to use them, even on scriptures allegéd to be 'the Word of God'.

Best wishes, 2RM.
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2ndRateMind wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:45 am
Icey wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:53 am
Miles wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:37 pm
Icey wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:23 pm
Miles wrote: So I take it you believe in sin, but feel people are allowed to determine it for themselves?
I don't believe in sin, as it's defined by Christians (even IF all Christians could agree on what is or isn't a sin, which hasn't been possible thus far).
Actually, there is a well agreed upon definition: "Sin is a transgression against divine law." So if people can find a divine law against doing X then doing X amounts to committing a sin. And while not stated as a law most Christians and Jews feel god's abhorrence of homosexual sex suffices as such.

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
(Leviticus 18:22)
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)


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People much more educated on what is and is not a sin than either one of us have differing opinions on this issues so nothing will be settled here.
Personally, I don't believe in any sin - it's a silly concept: how can something as finite and small as me do anything to 'sin against' something so grandiose as an infinite being?
It's hyper-ridiculous IMO
Then you have the people shouting from mountain tops 'you're sinning' when they're just as bad, if not worse, than those they're trying to prove as wrong! It's so much more about control and being right than it is about helping anyone from my decade's worth of experience.
But some people like to be under the weight of sin and all it brings (masochists, perhaps?), have someone they have to impress, serve and worship - something that can't be proven ( I guess it's a safe house, of sorts, for them?). Some people like that feeling; they like to feel like something is in control and they have to bow down to it so it can protect them. They like to have something that can excuse them of their guilt that they feel. Some of these people turn to the 'sin/God' construct.
That's fine for them, I suppose, if that's what they want.
I prefer total freedom of guilt from an invisible, magical being that gets his pants up in a bunch when someone does something he doesn't like or doesn't want them to do (aka sin); from someone that kills just to appease his need to be 'all things', then seems to have a second personality later on.
If sin is a 'transgression against God's Law', and homosexuality is sin, then why is God's Law so strongly agin it? Why would God think homosexuality an 'abomination?' Don't get me wrong, I'm all for keeping God's Law - it leads to mental well-being. I just don't think God could care less what we get up to in bed, and with who, so long as we cause no harm. On the other hand, the way societies treat homosexuals often does do them considerable harm. That harm must be justified, or it is the expression of mere prejudice, and 'a bad thing'.

Finally, I would just like to propose that God gave us our critical faculties. One can only suppose that He intended for us to use them, even on scriptures allegéd to be 'the Word of God'.

Best wishes, 2RM.
IF indeed. I don't buy it myself so NO, there is NO sin against God or any god IMO. I don't think any one person can do anything to upset/hurt/harm/angry a supreme being.
But some do. And for them, that's fine. It's their life after all. They're free to follow whatever rules they want for themselves so long as it doesn't harm another person.
Just like all of us 'sinners' can live their lives as we intend so long as it doesn't upset/hurt/harm another person. But even if what we do DOES upset.hurt/harm another person, that's between the sinner and the person harmed. No one else. Including any god.

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Icey wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:40 am
2ndRateMind wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:45 am
Icey wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:53 am
Miles wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:37 pm
Icey wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:23 pm
Miles wrote: So I take it you believe in sin, but feel people are allowed to determine it for themselves?
I don't believe in sin, as it's defined by Christians (even IF all Christians could agree on what is or isn't a sin, which hasn't been possible thus far).
Actually, there is a well agreed upon definition: "Sin is a transgression against divine law." So if people can find a divine law against doing X then doing X amounts to committing a sin. And while not stated as a law most Christians and Jews feel god's abhorrence of homosexual sex suffices as such.

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
(Leviticus 18:22)
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)


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People much more educated on what is and is not a sin than either one of us have differing opinions on this issues so nothing will be settled here.
Personally, I don't believe in any sin - it's a silly concept: how can something as finite and small as me do anything to 'sin against' something so grandiose as an infinite being?
It's hyper-ridiculous IMO
Then you have the people shouting from mountain tops 'you're sinning' when they're just as bad, if not worse, than those they're trying to prove as wrong! It's so much more about control and being right than it is about helping anyone from my decade's worth of experience.
But some people like to be under the weight of sin and all it brings (masochists, perhaps?), have someone they have to impress, serve and worship - something that can't be proven ( I guess it's a safe house, of sorts, for them?). Some people like that feeling; they like to feel like something is in control and they have to bow down to it so it can protect them. They like to have something that can excuse them of their guilt that they feel. Some of these people turn to the 'sin/God' construct.
That's fine for them, I suppose, if that's what they want.
I prefer total freedom of guilt from an invisible, magical being that gets his pants up in a bunch when someone does something he doesn't like or doesn't want them to do (aka sin); from someone that kills just to appease his need to be 'all things', then seems to have a second personality later on.
If sin is a 'transgression against God's Law', and homosexuality is sin, then why is God's Law so strongly agin it? Why would God think homosexuality an 'abomination?' Don't get me wrong, I'm all for keeping God's Law - it leads to mental well-being. I just don't think God could care less what we get up to in bed, and with who, so long as we cause no harm. On the other hand, the way societies treat homosexuals often does do them considerable harm. That harm must be justified, or it is the expression of mere prejudice, and 'a bad thing'.

Finally, I would just like to propose that God gave us our critical faculties. One can only suppose that He intended for us to use them, even on scriptures allegéd to be 'the Word of God'.

Best wishes, 2RM.
IF indeed. I don't buy it myself so NO, there is NO sin against God or any god IMO. I don't think any one person can do anything to upset/hurt/harm/angry a supreme being.
But some do. And for them, that's fine. It's their life after all. They're free to follow whatever rules they want for themselves so long as it doesn't harm another person.
Just like all of us 'sinners' can live their lives as we intend so long as it doesn't upset/hurt/harm another person. But even if what we do DOES upset.hurt/harm another person, that's between the sinner and the person harmed. No one else. Including any god.
Hmmm. Given that our conservative neighbours are generally conservative because they are doing very nicely, thank you, out of the global economy as it is currently skewed, I find myself wondering if this focus on sexuality has more to do with the desire among the rich and powerful to maintain the economic status quo rather than tackle the really important matters to do with the carbon-derived economy and climate change, and social justice, which may affect their vested interests and bank balances adversely. For me, religiosity issues around homosexuality are just so many distractions.

Best wishes, 2RM
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Icey wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:23 pm
IF indeed. I don't buy it myself so NO, there is NO sin against God or any god IMO. I don't think any one person can do anything to upset/hurt/harm/angry a supreme being...
God may well be supreme and almighty. I could not rightly say. The infinite is somewhat beyond my capacity to comprehend. But the insight offered by Christianity is that whether so or not, He is definitely i) personal and ii) vulnerable. When you, or I, suffer, He suffers alongside us, in direct proportion. Similarly, when we are happy, (in the sense of deep and lasting contentment) then so is He. The result is true love, half joy, half pain, totally ecstasy.

Fools for God we may all be, but our rôle is clear. We must remove from God any cause for pain, because we love Him back. And let His ecstasy be pure joy. And that may well involve keeping to His law, once we have sorted out amongst ourselves precisely what that Law may be. I could even go so far as to claim that this is the way to secure our own happiness, both in this world, and the next.

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2ndRateMind wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:56 am
Fools for God we may all be, but our rôle is clear. We must remove from God any cause for pain, because we love Him back. And let His ecstasy be pure joy. And that may well involve keeping to His law, once we have sorted out amongst ourselves precisely what that Law may be. I could even go so far as to claim that this is the way to secure our own happiness, both in this world, and the next.
Not to be argumentative, but god has most certainly been the cause of pain, and trying to remove him from it, deny his connection to it, is dishonest. The Bible is full of instances where god has deliberatly made people suffer, sometimes even needlessly.

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Miles wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:57 am
2ndRateMind wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:56 am
Fools for God we may all be, but our rôle is clear. We must remove from God any cause for pain, because we love Him back. And let His ecstasy be pure joy. And that may well involve keeping to His law, once we have sorted out amongst ourselves precisely what that Law may be. I could even go so far as to claim that this is the way to secure our own happiness, both in this world, and the next.
Not to be argumentative, but god has most certainly been the cause of pain, and trying to remove him from it, deny his connection to it, is dishonest. The Bible is full of instances where god has deliberatly made people suffer, sometimes even needlessly.

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Yes, agreed. But mostly the scriptures are honest enough (even the OT) to say 'X says God says'. Thus one can with due confidence say 'according to X', rather than 'according to God'. This all leaves us, I would suggest, sufficient latitude to interpret the Bible in our own way, for our own times.

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2ndRateMind wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:23 pm
Miles wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:57 am
2ndRateMind wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:56 am
Fools for God we may all be, but our rôle is clear. We must remove from God any cause for pain, because we love Him back. And let His ecstasy be pure joy. And that may well involve keeping to His law, once we have sorted out amongst ourselves precisely what that Law may be. I could even go so far as to claim that this is the way to secure our own happiness, both in this world, and the next.
Not to be argumentative, but god has most certainly been the cause of pain, and trying to remove him from it, deny his connection to it, is dishonest. The Bible is full of instances where god has deliberately made people suffer, sometimes even needlessly.

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Yes, agreed. But mostly the scriptures are honest enough (even the OT) to say 'X says God says'. Thus one can with due confidence say 'according to X', rather than 'according to God'. This all leaves us, I would suggest, sufficient latitude to interpret the Bible in our own way, for our own times.

Best wishes, 2RM.
Are you implying that those cases where the Bible says, in effect, god deliberately made people suffer, are untrue because they don't say "according to god," but "according to X"? Perhaps you've forgotten what 2 Timothy 3:16 says:

16 All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives. It is useful for correcting faults and teaching the right way to live.

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2ndRateMind wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:56 am God may well be supreme and almighty. I could not rightly say. The infinite is somewhat beyond my capacity to comprehend. But the insight offered by Christianity is that whether so or not, He is definitely i) personal and ii) vulnerable.
Christianity does not offer any insight. It only offers opinion. We can not say that God is definitely personal or vulnerable.

2ndRateMind wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:56 am When you, or I, suffer, He suffers alongside us, in direct proportion. Similarly, when we are happy, (in the sense of deep and lasting contentment) then so is He. The result is true love, half joy, half pain, totally ecstasy.
I guess that would mean that when a same sex couple is truly happy in a lasting relationship, God is also happy. When homosexuals are maligned and abused causing suffering and misery, God feels the same. Or does he value rules above love and happiness?

2ndRateMind wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:56 am Fools for God we may all be, but our rôle is clear. We must remove from God any cause for pain, because we love Him back. And let His ecstasy be pure joy. And that may well involve keeping to His law, once we have sorted out amongst ourselves precisely what that Law may be.
Are the alleged laws regarding homosexual relations from God or merely from some ancient human agents expressing their own agenda? It is rather telling that this issue is apparently so important and so prominent in the minds of Christians but it was never important enough for God to enshrine it in his commandments. Curiously, injunctions against child abuse never made it into the top ten either.
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