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Im am From Essex in England and i do not believe in God, I do see how i can believe something i cannot see, feel, smell etc. Can anybody please explain how you do believe in " God "?
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Ilias Ahmad wrote:Unlike Allah, Mbombo never revealed himself to humanity. This is why we believe in Allah alone as the One and Only God. If Allah didn't reveal Himself through Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam), you would be justified in calling our belief in Him as mere speculation without any logical basis.
Allah never revealed himself to humanity because he is not there. Muhammad made it all up. Mbombo reveals himself to his chosen people.
How is your statement any different from, "So believe in the Universe because it alone is the only Reality. Everything aside from the Universe is false." The only difference is that we know that the universe exists. Allah, on the other hand, is mere speculation.
Ilias Ahmad wrote:Your comparison is flawed. The universe has a beginning, and doubtless it will have an end. Even your own scientists admit this.
OK, then "So believe in the Multi-verse because it alone is the only Reality...

Why invent an entity and give it attributes like will, intelligence ...
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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Ilias Ahmad wrote: There is really only one reason to believe in God.

Allah means the One who alone is worthy of worship.

So the reason to believe in Allah is because He is the One who created all things, the cosmos, the stars, planets, life, animals, you and me.
Many religionists say similar things about their favorite god(s) among the thousands of “gods� available to worship.

Kindly show proof of your claims are any more valid than any other – without using religious propaganda literature and dogma (use evidence from the real world and reasoning).
Ilias Ahmad wrote: The atheist cannot give a satisfactory answer as to how did the universe and everything in it come into existence.
The Theist cannot show any evidence that their “explanation� that “goddidit� is true – yet they promote their belief to others claiming truth.

The ONLY honest answer to the question of origin of the universe is, “I don’t know� (and neither do you or anyone else). No one can supply anything more than unverifiable theories.
Ilias Ahmad wrote: So believe in Allah because He alone is the only Reality. Everything aside from Allah is false.
Believe what I say (or my book says or my self-appointed “prophets� say) without evidence of truth and help us build palaces of worship so we can arrange preferred seating in a “life after death� that we cannot show is real.
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Ilias Ahmad wrote: So the reason to believe in Allah is because He is the One who created all things, the cosmos, the stars, planets, life, animals, you and me. Everything which exists has been created by Allah (with the exception of Allah Himself, who is without beginning and without end). The atheist cannot give a satisfactory answer as to how did the universe and everything in it come into existence. Some give ridiculous argument that it was some kind of random accident. However, only Islam can give a real answer, the only logical answer, that the creation must have a Creator, who is not subject to the same things which the creation is subject to.
How is saying that life started out as a random accident (which by the way Evolutionists do not believe) any more ridiculous than claiming there was some almighty super being who just winked into existance one day then decided to create the universe? Was Allah a random accident?

Also why is Allah not subject to the same things which the creation is subject to?
Ilias Ahmad wrote: Your comparison is flawed. The universe has a beginning, and doubtless it will have an end. Even your own scientists admit this. Allah, however, is not subject to beginnings or ends:
What makes you think it has a beginning? What if it was always there? Perhaps it too is not under the rules that you claim it to be? How do you think it will end? Will it just all be erased from existance one day? What makes you think that?

I also don't think all scientists admit what you claim.
So believe in Allah because He alone is the only Reality. Everything aside from Allah is false.
Myself, I want nothing to do with a God who would teach his followers to stop loving their own children just because they left the Islamic faith. That sort of God is dispicable in my books and anyone who displays that sort of love for their children I would also deem dispicable.

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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Not Brainwashed wrote:Im am From Essex in England and i do not believe in God, I do see how i can believe something i cannot see, feel, smell etc. Can anybody please explain how you do believe in " God "?
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Welcome, Not Brainwashed. I feel God. Can you imagine a feeling so powerful and clear that you could not conclude anything else but that it must be of supernatural origen?

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Not Brainwashed wrote:Im am From Essex in England and i do not believe in God, I do see how i can believe something i cannot see, feel, smell etc. Can anybody please explain how you do believe in " God "?
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Welcome, Not Brainwashed. I feel God. Can you imagine a feeling so powerful and clear that you could not conclude anything else but that it must be of supernatural origen?
I can imagine someone with a biochemical imbalance that makes them think they CAN feel God, but that does not mean that God exists
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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Vanguard wrote:
Not Brainwashed wrote:Im am From Essex in England and i do not believe in God, I do see how i can believe something i cannot see, feel, smell etc. Can anybody please explain how you do believe in " God "?
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Welcome, Not Brainwashed. I feel God. Can you imagine a feeling so powerful and clear that you could not conclude anything else but that it must be of supernatural origen?
I can imagine someone with a biochemical imbalance that makes them think they CAN feel God, but that does not mean that God exists
I can imagine that too. I agree also that it proves nothing. I wonder if Not Brainwashed can imagine a feeling that is so powerful that not even a bad case of indigestion can account for such an experience?

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If Allah didn't reveal Himself through Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam), you would be justified in calling our belief in Him as mere speculation without any logical basis.
The only proof that Allah revealed Himself to Muhammad is because Muhammad said so. Just because a human declares something to be so, it does not mean it is so. So yes, your belief in Allah is based on speculation, without any logical basis.

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Can anybody please explain how you do believe in " God "?
I believe in God because God believes in me. Seems like an equitable relationship. But alas, it is one which cannot be proven by any scientific method...it can only be realized by an inner knowing which some call faith.

We all have the freedom to believe (or not) as we choose. No one can "make" some one else have faith. This, in my opinion, is where fanaticism loses sight of the purpose of religion. Because fanatics will attempt to force non-believers to convert or die.

I am not a fanatic but I have discovered a source of inner strength which I call faith. I do not label this faith by any conventional religious terms such as "Christian" "Muslim" or "Jewish." But I do believe there is a Creator of all things. The universe we see with our modern instrumentation is a vast artistic creation wrought by his/her hand.

Can I prove it by the scientific method? No I cannot. You either have faith or you don't.

Can I live my life by expressing this connection of inner knowing, strength, and faith? I certainly hope and pray that I can.

Can I learn to understand the universe and appreciate this vast work of art by modern scientific methods? Yes I can, because I stand in awe of the infinite, eternal, and universal ability of the Artist. Something which I believe no one but God could accomplish.

Do I expect members of this forum to believe as I do? No, I do not. I have nothing to prove.

Do I have a need to brainwash people? No, I do not. People who attempt to brainwash others serve ego not Truth.

Do I believe that if you embrace the truth, the Truth will Embrace You? Yes, I most assuredly do because I am beginning to understand my place in this vast work of art some call "creation."

Is such a belief logical? Probably not. But then logic is a servant of Truth not the Master. I can only state the truth as best as I perceive it no matter how illogical it may seem.

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ryeman wrote:I believe in God because God believes in me.
How do you know that God believes in you? I believe in gnomes because they believe in me.
ryeman wrote:it can only be realized by an inner knowing which some call faith.
Humans are easily fooled. Inner knowing is not a reliable source of truth.
ryeman wrote:We all have the freedom to believe (or not) as we choose.
Really? How do I choose to believe something?
ryeman wrote:Is such a belief logical? Probably not. But then logic is a servant of Truth not the Master. I can only state the truth as best as I perceive it.
You should not limit yourself so. You can critically examine you personal perception of truth, with objective and repeatable facts. Compare your personal perception of truth with other people's truth and work together with human society to compile a greater truth than your own personal one.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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The truth will make you free.
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