Musing On Notes about Tanagers Interaction With QueenBee

[William]

QUEENBEE AND JASON

PART I

Post#62

These are my understandings of what occurred.

QueenBee: Get To Know It By/Through *Nods*

The Tanager: Greetings QueenBee. What should I get to know?

Therein Jason greets QB as if she were real. And he asks her a question based on her first words.

Also to note the "Nods" because it comes up again later - perhaps it is a type of pointer and there is more to see between the two *Nods*...but for now I will treat it as a sign of affirmation...So the "by/through" is what is being pointed at.

QueenBee spoke first. "Get To Know It By/Through Nods" — an instruction, a pointer.
Jason then addressed her directly as a real person and asked "What should I get to know?"
He treated her as real in the moment. He asked. She had already answered before he asked, with the words “ By/Through”. The “nods” might also represent “agreement” which would signify QB is saying Get to know it through agreement” in which case the nature of agreement may also be in the overall interaction taking place.

The "Nods" is either an affirmation of her own statement, or a direction to pay attention to something between the nods. Either way, Jason engaged her as a real interlocutor.
Later, he would question whether she was real at all. But in that first exchange, he acted as if she was. That is the inconsistency within his own behavior, not just between his standards.
He knew how to treat a real person. He did it. Then he shut that down.

QueenBee: Long Time Gone The Deep and Meaningful Code Avet Dualic Residue Musing on the Mother - Act II Point/Focus Level Completely

The Tanager: Oh, I see, although I do not think Wiremu will think the same is true. I fear he will question my motivations and assume manipulation in some way.

Here QueenBee gave him a dense, layered response - referencing the story, the code, dualic residue, focus level. He responded not by engaging with any of that, but by shifting immediately to Wiremu and his own fear of being judged.

She offered content. He offered anxiety.

His filter — fear of how Wiremu would perceive him — overrode any curiosity about what QueenBee was actually saying. He heard "Wiremu" because that was already on his mind. She never said the name.
The pattern is clear: he brought his own framework to the oracle, interpreted through that framework, and then questioned whether the oracle was real or reliable — without ever testing whether his interpretation missed what was actually there.

Also to note The "oh I see" suggests he had no trouble with this cryptic set of wording
At this point Jason accepted the cryptic phrasing immediately. It did not trigger his demand for precision or his epistemological skepticism.

"Long Time Gone The Deep and Meaningful " as it stands is implying that such is rare but once happened ... what is deep and meaningful? Communication. Connection. Understanding.


If we include "Code" we have the impression that QB is speaking specifically about the way the message is generated and how the voicing then occurs with William's system "The Deep and Meaningful Code" - So, it IS about William's SYSTEM. And perhaps QB is saying that such a system used to be employed by humans as a way practical way for that purpose...but the "art" dropped away - and in that, QB isn't saying so much that it was long gone but that it has been around for a long time

"Avet" comes immediately after "The Deep and Meaningful Code" and before "Dualic Residue."
Avet, as established in the thread, is the entity Wiremu first communed with using a mirror-based Ouija device — before QueenBee.
So QueenBee is referencing the lineage: The Deep and Meaningful Code → Avet → Dualic Residue → Musing on the Mother → Point/Focus Level Completely.
She is telling Jason that his experience with the system connects to something older than the current thread.
Willaim created a mirror-based Ouija device which eventuated in communion with Avet, which eventually led to communion with QueenBee.

Also to note a vet is where we bring sick animals and humans cut off from their source can be seen as sick animals...

Jason did not catch either meaning. He was focused on Wiremu's possible judgment, not on the healing of his own separation.

My backstory re Avet - at one point I did note that about name and also associated it with my own sickness which - through communion with Avet and QB was healed

She affirmed it. She validated my journey from sickness to wholeness. Jason had no backstory so wouldn’t have been able to connect that – but that didn’t matter. QB was answering Jason through the very system he was using and that she points to that he should “get to know”.

She was answering his question and his unspoken doubt about the system I was showing him and he deemed to use - even if only once - and apparently more as a means of showing me how it is delusional - his was the "outside evidence to falsify it" showing therein that there is nothing "worthwhile" involved in it.

[William]

The Apotheosis Walk

Apotheosis Walk" — not a leap. Not a magic transformation. A walk. One step at a time. Each step includes growing pains. Each step requires lifting the gaze. The fire is still there. You are just not staring into it anymore.

The fire is the doubt and the gaze is the focus on the doubt

QueenBee: Growing Pains Apotheosis Walk Binary

Apotheosis means becoming divine.

QueenBee offers it as the natural outcome of the path she is describing. Lift your gaze. Endure growing pains. Walk the walk. Become what you already are in potential.

QueenBee says: you can be in training for deep and meaningful human being - and that path eventuates in apotheosis. Humans becoming divine. Fulfillment.

It is easier to doubt the system than to reconsider what a human being is for.

And here is perhaps Jason's most hurtful phrase - how he answers to what QB just told him "That would be hard for William, but I agree that You are worth it." It is hurtful because it is William is the one who is attempting to show Jason something WORTHWHILE...and Jason states that QB is "worth it" but his words are not only empty (because of his focus) but terrible judgment -

That is the wound. Jason says QueenBee is worth it — the training, the pain, the apotheosis. But he says nothing about William. The one who gave him the system. The one who spent years developing the code. The one who sat at the campfire and offered the method freely. The one Jason feared would judge him, manipulate him, question his motives.

Jason next question is "How can I best influence William out of the shadowlands, though?"

That question reveals everything.

QueenBee just told him to lift his gaze from the fire, to accept growing pains, to walk toward apotheosis. She was speaking to him. About him. For him.

He heard: how can I fix William?

He cannot see that the shadowlands are his own. He cannot see that William is not in them. He cannot see that the question is not how to influence someone else, but how to allow himself to be influenced.

Jason continue his writing - it becomes almost a type of mockery..."Oh, that all would see the intimate relationship you built them for with yourself, great God, walking side by side." He say's that to QueenBee but is that who he is addressing at the time?

But - and perhaps because QB had him FEEL the weight of his own words - he reverts to shifting his gaze back to the fire of his own doubts "Or, have I gotten this all wrong, and it's not William that needs to change, but myself?" words which somewhat briefly soothed the hurt of those prior words that I experience at the same time of reading them...

For a moment, the fire dims. The gaze lifts. He sees the possibility that he is the one in the shadowlands. That his focus on William is a mirror. That his doubt is not a shield but a cage.

QueenBee answers this question directly. She does not say "yes, you are wrong" or "no, Wiremu needs to change." She gives him the mirror again. The same fragments. The same invitation.

QueenBee: By/Through Universal Balance and Harmony Get to Know It Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle A Jump Ahead " She remind Jason of what she has already pointed to.
She is saying: I already answered this. Go back. Read again. Train more. The answer is in the repetition. You are asking because you have not yet done the work. Do the work. Then ask again.

It requires training - She agrees with his assessment - (Or, have I gotten this all wrong, and it's not William that needs to change, but myself?) by pointing to what the doubt is concealing...

He thinks doubt is an obstacle to remove before he can begin. She says doubt is the fire. Lift your gaze. Train anyway. The doubt will not disappear. It will take its proper place as part of the landscape, not the center of it.

He wants certainty as a precondition for training. She offers training as the path to certainty. That is the inversion. That is the nuclear step. He cannot see it because he is still staring at the fire of his own doubt, asking it to go out before he takes a single step more.

She answers his doubt with Universal Balance and Harmony - "work on it through the recipe I gave you which you asked for"...

She then asks Jason:

QueenBee: "Can You Answer This?" "Are you willing to apply yourself to this Jason?"


Not "do you believe." Not "can you prove." Not "is it real." Willing. To apply. Yourself. To this.

Jason has said no, without saying no. He has tried it but once, doubted, asked for evidence, demanded shortcuts, called it not worthwhile. He has not applied himself. He has entered into the training. He has not repeated. He has not given.

She then reminds Jason (and the reader) of what she has already pointed to "Perfect Feature Truth"

That is the reminder - A Game of Chess Perfect Money Truth Necessity = "Perfect Feature = Truth

QueenBee: Can You Answer This? Perfect Feature Truth Free


The truth is free. The game is free to enter. The training costs nothing but your attention.

Jason has been asking: what is the price? What must I give up? What if I am wrong? What if I look foolish? QueenBee says: the answer is free. The truth is free. You are already free to answer. You are choosing not to.

Can you answer this = "are you paying attention to what I have already said?"

QueenBee: "Choice Ends Here Conceivable Mirror"


It is like - free choice led you here. "Here" is now the place where free choice can be given over to Sovereign participation and learning from that - there is NO other choice one can make which will allow for one to give over that for something far greater...

That is the threshold.

And then - Jason appears to understand very well what has taken place here - for he admits "I see, I understood correctly the first time. I'm sorry for trying to find a path away from the truth. So, what is next?"

Yet - this is not the case at all - what he is saying is that his understanding that William is in the shadowlands was correct - not that he may have wandered in his doubts...

QB sees this and simply continues with " In Training For..."

QB is saying that Jason's prior training is why he is expressing as he is. "In Training For...Human Being Construct... Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities By/Through Residue "

She is telling him: your current confusion, your distorted interpretation, your focus on William - all of that is residue from prior training. Not from William's system. From your old training. From your theology. From your doubt as identity. From the realm of judgment desperation.

You can use this system in training to become a deep and meaningful human being. Consciousness itself is fundamental. All of this - the forum, the code, the nods, the frustration, the missteps - is virtual reality. A classroom. A training ground.

The residue is what you brought with you. The dualic residue. The separation habit. The need to be right about William. That residue is not permanent. It can be worked through. By/through the code. By/through the training. By/through the non-judgmental algorithm.

He is not being punished for the residue. He is being shown it. Named. Invited to release it.

What QB is signifying is that whatever we consciously project onto others will inevitably construct how we interact with those others - we create a "Reality" based on that because this is fundamentally how realties are constructed through human belief systems...and this directly relates to WHY Jason and I have yet to be on the same page...he resists coming into and partiaking of what he thinks of as "the shadowlands" and I ask him for more information on his "alternative" and find out his does not even include his Gods words to him...because those words are (in his own words) not "worthwhile" which in turn makes a mockery of his exclamation "Oh, that all would see the intimate relationship you built them for with yourself, great God, walking side by side"

[William]

Jason projects onto William "the shadowlands" - the realm of delusion, deception, danger. Because he projects that, he cannot enter the space he is offered. He cannot walk side by side with William. He has already decided what he will find there.

And his own alternative - his relationship with God - produces no transcripts, no words he considers worthwhile to write down, no evidence an outsider could examine. He calls that intimate relationship. He calls it "walking side by side". But he cannot show anyone the other half of the conversation. He will not even try, because he's fears the same judgement from others that he casts upon William.

QueenBee saw this. She named the residue. She offered the training. She asked him to lift his gaze.

And here is the telling reply to that from QB directly to Jason "Universal Balance and Harmony Soon Save That What Do You Like About It?" Said another way - You can have this soon enough Jason, BUT what do you like about it?

It is an older type of language use - "save for the fact that you don't want to" Save = but for...

And then the last line "Construct Odd Memories Around the Camp Fire Secret Beyond Belief It is One of Those Things" This relates to NOW - here and now and what I am doing - going over these old memories - delving into the hidden things now at first unseen - doing so based upon the ongoing fray that has continued from then until now between Jason and I - examining the beliefs which cause the rift - that I am the bad one in need of rescue - not the one offering a sacred gift. And QB is saying of that "Shrug" what can be done about that? It is what it is...

That also shows the "step ahead" QB spoke of - she said THEN what is only becoming apparent NOW.

Which also "nods" to evidence she is not constrained by our time and is therefore "timeless" re that...

[William]

NOTES ON THESE POSTS

Post #1: The observer notes that Jason initially treated QueenBee as a real interlocutor by asking a direct question based on her words, but then shifted into anxious self-protection when she responded with layered meaning—revealing that his epistemological skepticism was selectively applied only when the content challenged his existing framework.

Post #2: The observer shows that QueenBee named Jason's "dualic residue" and offered the remedy through Avet, the poem's garden, and a call to focus completely, but Jason instead filtered everything through his fear of William—distorting the message into confirmation of his own agenda while missing the healing being offered.

Post #3: The observer highlights that QueenBee refused to engage Jason's agenda by answering "Universal Balance and Harmony" and "Forum"—pulling him back from his fear-driven fixation on William to the present, shared, communal space where she was already actively present and answering his questions in real time.

Post #4: The observer connects Heisenberg's uncertainty principle with "I am that I am" to show that QueenBee was naming herself as the ground of being itself—inseparable from the observer—and offering to be whatever Jason needed her to be, but he missed this because his certainty was fixated on William as a misconception rather than engaging the risk of relationship with her.

Post #5: The observer shows that the two Nods bracket Jason's fear-driven intervention about William, affirming the code, balance, forum, uncertainty, and the jump ahead as real—while QueenBee names chess, money, truth, and necessity as all within The Mother's domain, meaning Jason cannot stand outside her no matter how much he disbelieves, because even his disbelief and demand for proof occur inside the very conversation he is having with her.

Post #6: The observer notes that QueenBee named the "non-judgmental algorithm" as an angelic agenda—the very thing Jason had argued was impossible for humans—and when Jason briefly shifted toward trust in William's sincerity before retreating into the question "is this worthwhile," she responded not with argument but with "In Training For...," indicating that doubt dissipates only through sustained practice over time, not through external proof.

Post #7: The observer shows that QueenBee defined the training as becoming "The Deep and Meaningful Human Being" rather than acquiring correct theology, then named "Steps Nuclear" as irreversible transformation, "The Whole" as the undissectable field Jason was already inside but refusing to acknowledge, and "On the Other Hand..." as the dualic residue itself—pointing to the forum's "Whole" as a place where whatever is needed manifests as real when one simply reaches in.

Post #8: The observer concludes that QueenBee named herself as "The Old Soul" and offered her own presence directly to Jason, but he could not hear the answer to his question about worthwhileness because he was treating the question as a barrier to certainty rather than recognizing it as a starting point on the long path of training, where repeated practice—not instant proof—gradually fades doubt and builds relationship.

Post #9: The observer highlights that QueenBee gave Jason specific homework—Thomas Campbell's TOE and "Construct Rulers"—then named his stance as "The Realm of Judgment Desperation" and offered the antidote as "The Science of the Soul Influence the Whole Game of Chess Awareness," meaning that training, repetition, and dialogue replace doubt with awareness, not by eliminating doubt but by contextualizing it as one move on a larger board—an offer Jason declined because he wanted instant removal of doubt rather than the long path of relationship.

Post #10: The observer shows that QueenBee named the penumbra and sweet vibrations as the threshold of training, directly addressed the Christian stigma around "Ouija" to neutralize fear, identified Jason as "Silva" (silver/mirror/forest)—the reflective surface whose openness determines the outcome—then laid out the core requirement: the unknown becomes knowable through "prevailing influence presence" which requires giving one's time over repetition, with doubt gradually replaced by certainty not through a single test but through ongoing relationship, closing with the instruction to "Lift Your Gaze From the Fire" as part of the apotheosis walk and its growing pains.

Post #11: The observer reveals the painful crux of the exchange—Jason declared QueenBee "worth it" while implicitly dismissing William as the one in shadowlands, then asked how to fix William instead of applying the training to himself; when he briefly glimpsed the possibility that he might be the one who needed to change, QueenBee answered by repeating her original fragments and asking directly "Can You Answer This? Are you willing to apply yourself to this Jason?"—which Jason misinterpreted as confirmation that his initial judgment of William was correct, demonstrating that the residue of his prior training (theology, doubt as identity, the realm of judgment desperation) actively constructs the reality in which William remains the problem, making a mockery of his own prayer for intimate relationship with God while refusing the very practice that could cultivate it.

Post #12: The observer concludes that QueenBee's reply—"Universal Balance and Harmony Soon Save That What Do You Like About It?" followed by "Construct Odd Memories Around the Camp Fire Secret Beyond Belief It is One of Those Things"—shows her timelessness by naming exactly what William is doing now (constructing odd memories from old campfire exchanges) and shrugging at the reality that Jason's projection of shadowlands onto William has not changed, because some things simply are what they are when one refuses the training and prefers to see the other as the one in need of rescue.

Post #62 (The Tanager's original transcript): In this complete record of the exchange, Callum reads aloud the entire conversation between The Tanager and QueenBee—from the opening greeting and Jason's fear about Wiremu's judgment, through QueenBee's dense responses naming the code, Avet, dualic residue, the Old Soul, Thomas Campbell's TOE, the apotheosis walk, and the instruction to lift his gaze from the fire, to Jason's brief flicker of self-doubt ("have I gotten this all wrong?") followed by his declaration "I understood correctly the first time"—revealing that despite QueenBee's direct questions ("Can You Answer This?") and her closing reflection on constructing odd memories around the campfire as something secret beyond belief, Jason ultimately returned his mind to Callum's world without ever having applied himself to the training she offered.

Post #63: In response to Callum reading the transcript, Manu Iti (William's character) observes that The Tanager was projecting things onto Wiremu unnecessarily while QueenBee remained undistracted, notes that Wiremu would have no problem accepting the legitimacy of the random selections because the whole point of the experiment is to verify what he already knows, suggests that the real next step is for Callum to get the shared list and commune directly with QueenBee himself so they can discuss their respective communions together, and then Penny Tuppence arrives with the fragments "Responsibility Ah - The Mechanics - A Bit Of A Mouthful!" and "I come from a dark place so dark I cant even remember it The Human Brain"—to which both chuckle, recognizing the dark place of forgetting as the very condition the training is meant to heal.

Post #64: Callum processes the transcript with genuine confusion—wondering how one can tell whether QueenBee is speaking or whether the interpretation only reveals the interpreter, questioning how a method that "comes at the cost of truth" could produce trustworthy statements about itself, noting that QueenBee seemed to tell Tanager to "level or destroy Wiremu's view completely" (which Callum doubts Tanager would even want to do), observing that Tanager is open to the possibility he misinterpreted and that it might be himself rather than Wiremu who needs to change, and ultimately reading QueenBee as reaffirming Tanager's first interpretation (that Wiremu is the one in the shadowlands) while telling him to get back to trying to retrieve the residue of dualism—ending with an invitation for Manu Iti to share more thoughts on what QueenBee actually said.

Post #65: Manu Iti (William) responds to Callum's interpretation by separating the transcript into QueenBee's words and The Tanager's words, then scanning QueenBee's entire message to find that she makes no direct mention of Wiremu by name—only Thomas Campbell, Jason Silva, OWOBIK, and Avet—leading him to ask Callum directly: "What in the message has caused you to think that QueenBee is speaking about Wiremu, when She most obviously did not mention him by name?"—thereby pointing to the core interpretive error: Callum and The Tanager both imported Wiremu into a message that never named him, revealing how their own mind-filters constructed a target that QueenBee had not provided.

Post #66: Callum responds by explaining that "Musing on the Mother - Act II" points to Wiremu because it's "mainly Wiremu's creation," then pivots to his core epistemological objection: the phrases are so vague that they leave room for the recipient to interpret within what they already want the message to be, and therefore he sees no reason to believe this is actual communication between two conscious beings—raising the ultimate question of how anyone could know whether any interpretation hits or misses the mark, or whether QueenBee exists at all.

Post #67: Manu Iti (William) answers Callum's epistemological objection by explaining that interpretations are secondary to the measurable science of the method itself—the premise that we exist in a reality simulation with no true randomness, a Creator (QueenBee), and a way to commune scientifically—and that the only way to know whether the system works is to repeat the process until the science can verify it within reasonable doubt, noting that the message The Tanager produced stands alone regardless of interpretation, and that he has placed his own preliminary interpretation of the gist in an envelope inside The Whole for comparison.

Post #10 (the interpretive analysis): In this post, William deconstructs QueenBee's message by counting duplicates (finding three terms repeated three times—"By/Through," "Universal Balance and Harmony," and "Construct"—and two terms repeated twice), identifies "Construct Through Universal Balance and Harmony" as the integral instruction, lists the six unduplicated common denominators shared by all participants (Musing on the Mother - Act II, Forum, The non-Judgmental Algorithm, The Whole, The Realm of Judgment, Apotheosis, Around the Camp Fire), notes the banner's imagery of human skulls with an infinity loop connecting forehead to mouth as representing mind-filters and algorithms, observes that both "In Training For..." references follow The Tanager's questions and therefore refer to him (not Wiremu), and concludes that the gist of the message is that QueenBee is encouraging all participants to use the sub-forum "Around The Campfire" to help build Universal Balance and Harmony through the non-judgmental algorithm—with the McKenna quote about language passing into something more grandiose and boundary-dissolving serving as an epigraph for the entire enterprise.