Christiantianity Gets Back to its Political Roots

[Diogenes]

Christianity (and religion in general) gets back to its primary purpose:
Being a Tool for the State.
Since Constantine, the Church has been used to serve the interests of the State.
Before Constantine, Abraham invoked the name of 'God' to build and control his tribe.

Now we have the Russian Orthodox Church supporting the genocide against the Ukrainian people.

Since March 6th, when Kirill, the patriarch of Moscow and primate of the Russian Orthodox Church, gave an incendiary homily likening Russia’s invasion to a culture war against the West, plenty of questions have been asked about his role and his motives. Is he a tool of Vladimir Putin or Putin’s spiritual adviser? Is his vision of “Russky Mir” (“Russian World”) the basis for Putin’s war

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-co ... in-ukraine
There's nothing new under the Sun, but at least the Pope gets it:
"Pope Francis warned the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church not to be “Putin’s altar boy” and justify the Russian president’s invasion of Ukraine."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... h-ukraine/
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The question for debate: Is the primary purpose of religion to aid the State in its control of the populace?*

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*Thanks to brunumb for reminding me to pose a question for debate

[pjharrison57]

[Replying to pjharrison57 in post #40]

There is a big difference between Jesus and Allah. Jesus is God in the flesh. Who died on the cross for all mankind! Allah is a creation of God's.

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #38]
I don't preach, I don't have anyone to preach too.

What I was getting at is how you're real good at making claims, you just have a miserable go at supporting em.

[Clownboat]

There is a big difference between Jesus and Allah.

They are both cliamed to be god concepts by humans, making them much more similar than you would like to admit.

Jesus is God in the flesh.

Only Christians believe this to be true and they point to a book they seem to worship in order to justify the claim.
Then we get into the Trinity concept and things really get muddy within Christianity.

Who died on the cross for all mankind!

The dying on the cross does seem reasonable.

Allah is a creation of God's.

This statement is nonsensical as Allah is also a god concept just like the god concept from the Bible. Do you really mean to say that one god concept created another god concept? I'm guessing you meant something else.

[pjharrison57]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #42]

Well, it is what it is.

[pjharrison57]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #43]

It's not a concept. There is only one God. The other is a copycat. A false God. That is Allah. He is a demon. People have made him their God. You know the real God by the fruit of his children.

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #42]

Well, it is what it is.

And it ain't what it ain't.

Do you consider making unevidenced and / or unsupported claims a sound tactic for debate?

[pjharrison57]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #46]

Back to the original post. Jesus had nothing to do with politics. Luke 20:24, Show me a denarius. Whose image and inscription are on it?” “Caesar’s,” they replied. 25, He said to them, “Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
Did you get that. A difference between God and Cesear. Cesear was the king of this world; God is the king of Heaven. So, Jesus had nothing to do with politics.

[Diogenes]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #46]

Back to the original post. Jesus had nothing to do with politics. Luke 20:24, Show me a denarius. Whose image and inscription are on it?” “Caesar’s,” they replied. 25, He said to them, “Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
Did you get that. A difference between God and Cesear. Cesear was the king of this world; God is the king of Heaven. So, Jesus had nothing to do with politics.

I don't usually respond to your posts, because they just preach and refer to the Bible for support. The Bible is not authority here on C & A. See the guidelines: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9741
But in this case I completely agree, Jesus avoided politics. Where you go wrong is confusing Christianity with Jesus. "Christianity" has little to do with Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus was a Jew who would be horrified to see the abomination Paul and the 'Church' have turned his Jewish teaching into, a new and separate religion that has long showed hostility to Judaism.

Jesus never claimed to be God. The author of the 'Gospel' of John made this claim and misrepresented what Jesus actually said, according to the synoptic gospels. If you have ANY interest in the actual facts, or what the gospels actually say about this, read The First Coming: How the Kingdom of God Became Christianity , by Thomas Sheehan is available for free at:
https://infidels.org/library/modern/tho ... rstcoming/

I don't expect you to read this and address the information there, directly from the NT, but don't expect further responses from me if you don't read it and join issue.

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to pjharrison57 in post #45]

It's not a concept. There is only one God. The other is a copycat. A false God. That is Allah. He is a demon. People have made him their God. You know the real God by the fruit of his children.

Moderator Comment

Disparaging religions different from your own, especially their deity, is insulting to the people who practice that religion which is against the forum Rules on civil discourse. Also, please read the guidelines on Preaching.

[pjharrison57]

[Replying to Diogenes in post #48]

1. The title of the site is debating Christianity and Religion. If you can't use the bible, what kind of Christianity is it talking about.
2. Jesus does claim to be God. He is God.
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 10:30 - I and my Father are one
John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

I could go on and on.