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Making the assumption that Jesus was a real person and lived within the times presented in the bible. Also assuming all the stories were true. Why would a man ( man/god whatever you choose ) of his influence not write?
After all, if the Christian message is really what were all supposed to believe in wouldnt it make sense for Jesus himself to want to spread the message and truth as much as possible with his own written word? If all of what was written is real why not it come from the individual himself?
Hypothetical here. Im God and I have some messages and things for my people to believe in. I for one will do my best and let it be known that what I say or try to present to my people is from me and the real deal, and not doing so would only lead those away from me.
That was me being god, just trying to give some sort of an example.
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Re: Jesus the Muse
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Or he should have had the ability to have his words magically inscribed on indestructible metal tablets that would persist for all to see for all ages -- "child's play" for a "god" (or whatever).
Customs and materials characteristic of a human society of that era should mean nothing to an "eternal being" capable of performing "miracles".
What with Jesus being "god" or "divine" or "son of god" (or whatever) and able to walk on water, turn water into wind, raise the dead, come back from the dead, etc, it seems as though he would have had the ability to write with his finger in massive stone blocks (magically supplied if necessary) that could not be misplaced, lost or destroyed.JehovahsWitness wrote:Further, since none of the original writings survived to this day, there would be little significance in him personally writing an original anyway - it would still be the copies that could reach most people and extend into the modern age.
Or he should have had the ability to have his words magically inscribed on indestructible metal tablets that would persist for all to see for all ages -- "child's play" for a "god" (or whatever).
Customs and materials characteristic of a human society of that era should mean nothing to an "eternal being" capable of performing "miracles".
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Re: Jesus the Muse
Post #12Ex-Mormon I see...lolZzyzx wrote:.What with Jesus being "god" or "divine" or "son of god" (or whatever) and able to walk on water, turn water into wind, raise the dead, come back from the dead, etc, it seems as though he would have had the ability to write with his finger in massive stone blocks (magically supplied if necessary) that could not be misplaced, lost or destroyed.JehovahsWitness wrote:Further, since none of the original writings survived to this day, there would be little significance in him personally writing an original anyway - it would still be the copies that could reach most people and extend into the modern age.
Or he should have had the ability to have his words magically inscribed on indestructible metal tablets that would persist for all to see for all ages -- "child's play" for a "god" (or whatever).
Customs and materials characteristic of a human society of that era should mean nothing to an "eternal being" capable of performing "miracles".
Seriously you are right he COULD have. He chose not to. Was there anything eles?
To suggest that because he chose not to, this is proof of anything other than ... that he didn't would be shakey at best. If I don't take any holiday pictures, what does this prove? That I didn't go on holiday? I could have made a home movie, I could have taken 3-D pictures, I could have hired some local talent and starred in my own holiday version of "Barbados Babe"... If I come back without any of that its only proof that... I chose not to.
I'm not sure where this line of reasoning is suppose to be going short of be entertaining.
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Re: Jesus the Muse
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Survival of original writings should NOT be a problem for a god who could easily insure that did not happen, so the excuse falls flat.
What is entertaining and amusing, in my opinion (and perhaps that of readers), are the gymnastics that Apologists use to promote their personal beliefs as TRUTH -- particularly when challenged or cornered in debate.
What is shaky, in my opinion, is your statement to which I replied " attempting to excuse or explain the lack of writing by Jesus as since none of the original writings survived to this day, there would be little significance in him personally writing an original anyway.JehovahsWitness wrote:To suggest that because he chose not to, this is proof of anything other than ... that he didn't would be shakey at best.
Survival of original writings should NOT be a problem for a god who could easily insure that did not happen, so the excuse falls flat.
I trust that readers understand that originals would not survive anyway (or words to that effect) is a very poor argument for why Jesus didnt write.JehovahsWitness wrote:I'm not sure where this line of reasoning is suppose to be going short of be entertaining.
What is entertaining and amusing, in my opinion (and perhaps that of readers), are the gymnastics that Apologists use to promote their personal beliefs as TRUTH -- particularly when challenged or cornered in debate.
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