Vaccines and Religion

[Tcg]

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A new report reveals that 1 in 10 Americans say that COVID-19 vaccines conflict with their religious belief:

1 in 10 Americans say the COVID-19 vaccine conflicts with their religious beliefs

Only 10% of Americans believe that getting a COVID-19 vaccine conflicts with their religious beliefs, and 59% of Americans say too many people are using religious beliefs as an excuse not to get vaccinated, a new survey from the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) and the Interfaith Youth Core (IFYC) shows.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/09/10626553 ... exemptions

How could health care issues conflict with religious beliefs?

Were vaccines in the past rejected due to religious beliefs?


Tcg

[brunumb]

I think, it it instructs cells to produce something that is not in cells original instructions, I think it is altering DNA.

It does not alter your DNA. Ironically, the virus injects its own information into your cells and hijacks them to replicate itself.

[brunumb]

I wonder if we will ever get a vaccine against religious indoctrination.

[POI]

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A new report reveals that 1 in 10 Americans say that COVID-19 vaccines conflict with their religious belief:

1 in 10 Americans say the COVID-19 vaccine conflicts with their religious beliefs

Only 10% of Americans believe that getting a COVID-19 vaccine conflicts with their religious beliefs, and 59% of Americans say too many people are using religious beliefs as an excuse not to get vaccinated, a new survey from the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) and the Interfaith Youth Core (IFYC) shows.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/09/10626553 ... exemptions

How could health care issues conflict with religious beliefs?

Were vaccines in the past rejected due to religious beliefs?


Tcg

My 2 cents...

How could health care issues conflict with religious beliefs? --- I would say most don't want the vaccine, and their most 'sure-fire' way to avoid getting the vaccine is to make the claim of 'religious exemption'. Why? Because religion is ambiguous, and is virtually exempt from any critical examination. Heck, look at the tax laws. How many churches are getting audited? Which is odd, as you may have a Hindu temple directly next to a Baptist church. They can't both be true. But they could certainly both be full of bologna.

Were vaccines in the past rejected due to religious beliefs? -- Well, if such a vaccine was a condition of continued employment, maybe?

[Goat]

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How could health care issues conflict with religious beliefs?
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One reason that I have heard of is that in the development of the vaccine, people used material from a baby that was aborted. Not only the abortion is problem, but the material was taken from the baby when he was still alive, which makes it very inhumane torture of a baby.

Second reason can be that some religious people don't want something injected to them that may cause DNA changes like the RNA vaccines basically do by making human cell to produce something that is not in human body normally.

I am against it, because I have seen no good reason to take it. And I am against mandatory vaccines, because I believe people were created to be free.

There are certain pieces of information that you hsould be aware of.

First of all, many other medicince use stem cells from abortions to do testing on. These stem cells on are about 40 to 50 years old. I bet many people who are using that as an excuse have used those medications.

Next, the Mrna vaccines do not cause DNA changes. That is misinformation.

Now, why should someone take it? Because they care about the lives of their neighbors, that's why. Even if you think you are healthy, and it won't effect you, being a source of infection for your neighbors, and your family can actually kill them. If you don't mind risking your neighbors and families lives and health, then there shouldn't be an issue. If you think that their lives do matter, then you should consider it.

OF course, if you do get it,there are long term health issues too. Covid 19 can easily effect the vascular system, which has issues with lungs, how the brain functions, stamina, heart issues, etc etc etc. The risks of covid far outweigh the risks of any of the vaccines.

[Goat]

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Covid vaccines do not alter DNA. They provide genetic material which gives instructions to cells on how to build up protection against the virus, but that material does not enter the nucleus of a cell, which is where the DNA is located.

I think, it it instructs cells to produce something that is not in cells original instructions, I think it is altering DNA.

You are mistaken. It does not alter the DNA. What it does is provoke the production of antibodies in the system, exactly like your system would do if you got sick with the virus. Your body gets trained to recognize the proteins that an infection would provide, and produce counter measures. That is how getting resistance to diseases work.

[benchwarmer]

I wonder if we will ever get a vaccine against religious indoctrination.

We actually have it available right now. It's called education and critical thinking. Sadly some refuse to make use of it and prefer employing further indoctrination instead.

[brunumb]

I wonder if we will ever get a vaccine against religious indoctrination.

We actually have it available right now. It's called education and critical thinking. Sadly some refuse to make use of it and prefer employing further indoctrination instead.

One problem I see is that indoctrination occurs at a very young age when people are most trusting of elders and the mind is receptive and uncritical. Once the beliefs have been inculcated and firmly entrenched, cognitive dissonance makes it harder to challenge them and any close scrutiny of them is usually met with resistance.

[1213]

...It does not alter the DNA. What it does is provoke the production of antibodies in the system, exactly like your system would do if you got sick with the virus. Your body gets trained to recognize the proteins that an infection would provide, and produce counter measures. That is how getting resistance to diseases work.

Sorry, by what CDC says, I think I am right. mRNA vaccines causes cells to produce virus protein, which obviously is not in the cells own normal code.

“Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines teach our cells how to make a protein that will trigger an immune response inside our bodies.”
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... /mrna.html

So, the vaccine itself doesn’t provoke the production of antibodies, it provokes the body to produce virus proteins. And they hope that the produced virus proteins then provoke the production of antibodies. In traditional vaccines virus proteins are injected to body to provoke the production of antibodies, without the need to change cells to make the virus proteins.

When cells don’t normally produce virus proteins, because it is not in the DNA, I think it is altering the DNA. But, maybe it is inaccurate to say it alters DNA and better would be to say, it overwrites DNA, how else could cells produce something that is not in DNA?

[1213]

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Now, why should someone take it? Because they care about the lives of their neighbors, that's why. Even if you think you are healthy, and it won't effect you, being a source of infection for your neighbors, and your family can actually kill them. If you don't mind risking your neighbors and families lives and health, then there shouldn't be an issue. If you think that their lives do matter, then you should consider it.

OF course, if you do get it,there are long term health issues too. Covid 19 can easily effect the vascular system, which has issues with lungs, how the brain functions, stamina, heart issues, etc etc etc. The risks of covid far outweigh the risks of any of the vaccines.

I have had the virus already. I know many who have had it, so I am familiar with it. Don't need to rely on information from internet.

It is interesting that 2020 in Finland 66 under 70 years old people died for it allegedly. It is about 1/70000. There was over two times bigger risk to die in road accident. Still, for some reason government has not forced everyone to use sumo-suit and helmet always, which is surprising.

But, didn't you know that people who have had the vaccines can also transmit it? I understand that protecting others can be good reason to do something. But in this case the vaccine doesn’t seem to do that, according to:
“The newly released report showing that vaccinated people can still be superspreaders drove the recent decision by the CDC to once again recommend masks for vaccinated people indoors where case counts are high or substantial.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cdc-r ... ar-AAML2bE

Even if they could prevent, I think it is wrong to blame unvaccinated and try to force them to take it. Everyone who fears the virus and believes in the vaccine is free to take it and If the vaccine really works, there shouldn’t be any problem, if someone doesn’t take it.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 1213 in post #18]

Sorry, by what CDC says, I think I am right. mRNA vaccines causes cells to produce virus protein, which obviously is not in the cells own normal code.

This does not require an alteration of the DNA.

And it's done to help kickstart an immune response in the body. You think that's bad?

Even if they could prevent, I think it is wrong to blame unvaccinated and try to force them to take it. Everyone who fears the virus and believes in the vaccine is free to take it and If the vaccine really works, there shouldn’t be any problem, if someone doesn’t take it

No vaccine is 100% effective, but they provide higher protection against illness. That's why they're important.