God is using Russia to fulfill a prophecy

[nobspeople]

According to Pat Robinson (unfortunately there's no Grimm Reaper smilie available) Russia is being used by god to fulfill prophecy (who god can't do its own dirty work is another raging question, but it's not the first time we hear this from biblical 'know-it-alls' like patty).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pat-robertso ... 45780.html


Is this true?


It's worth noting, about good, ancient patty:
Robertson, who turns 92 this month, is a serial doomsday cheerleader: in the 1970s, he predicted a 1982 ending, the 1990s, he predicted a 2007 ending, 2020, he predicted Donald Trump would win reelection ― “without question” ― and it would lead to the end. (In that case, it wasn’t a war that would end the world, as he is currently predicting, but something a lot more natural, like an asteroid.)

[Diagoras]

Jesus did not speak about "rumours of Earthquakes", or rumours of famines", could it be because historically a rumour of a coming war or the outcome of an ongoing one has been an elite /insider chess game and its opening up to the masses (via technology) deserved special mention?

You think Jesus predicted the internet? Is that what you're saying?

in our era of unending propaganda, fake news and misinformation Jesus words take on a greater significance.

Or lesser significance, depending on your viewpoint.

[1213]

You're correct in that we're not seeing it. There are two battlefields here: the military, and the economic. Russia is making some headway in the former, but is being decimated in the latter. The rouble is essentially now worthless and the Russian government has got practically zero access to foreign currency reserves. ...

Actually, I think there are more than that:
1. Moral battle. US has lost the moral high ground because of her unjust wars in Middle-East and elsewhere.
2. Battle of truth. US is no more trustworthy.
3. Economical battle. US is isolating itself from others because of own choice and because of those previous points. This all will make dollars value go down and prices up.

The hubris, arrogancy and ignorance leads US probably also to actual direct war with countries like Russia and China. And US will lose it, if there happens no improvement in these issues.

And I think that is sad, because I think US has the best constitution with the ten amendments. If she would have remained the land of the free, she would have been great. Now it seems she is utterly corrupt and fascistic, unfortunately. Yet, there is still hope, the people still have time to turn back to good path.

But, maybe I am wrong, lest hope so, because otherwise it will be painful ride that US will have.

[Goat]

According to Pat Robinson (unfortunately there's no Grimm Reaper smilie available) Russia is being used by god to fulfill prophecy (who god can't do its own dirty work is another raging question, but it's not the first time we hear this from biblical 'know-it-alls' like patty).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pat-robertso ... 45780.html


Is this true?

In a weird way, sort of. Jesus said that there would be "wars and rumors of wars." And he was right. We are experiencing those wars and rumors of wars. However, where Robison saw this as a sign of the end of the age, Jesus said said that these things would continue to happen and that they are not a sign of the end.

Of course, that was happening way back when, and it was an observation, nothing more.

[thomasdixon]

Biden needs to call Putin’s bluff. Putin threatens a nuclear war which would result in mutual destruction. Putin may even call for such a strike, but I can assure you, Putin’s military would not comply.

[Diagoras]

Actually, I think there are more than that:
1. Moral battle. US has lost the moral high ground because of her unjust wars in Middle-East and elsewhere.
2. Battle of truth. US is no more trustworthy.
3. Economical battle. US is isolating itself from others because of own choice and because of those previous points. This all will make dollars value go down and prices up.

1. This isn't really about the US, though, is it? Russia invades Ukraine on a false pretext. Ukraine can claim the 'moral high ground' here.
2. The first casualty of war is truth - but pause for a moment and consider why Russia's recently passed a law banning public opposition to Russia's actions in Ukraine.
3. The US$ value against the Euro over the last year has been steadily rising, and markedly so since the invasion. I wouldn't feel confident in predicting a significant drop in the value of the dollar, and my own investments (based in non-US currency) are subsequently enjoying a boost in returns from the current exchange.

However, you're correct on prices going up. Any war is detrimental to economic growth, and we'll see continued inflationary pressures across the global economy.

The hubris, arrogancy and ignorance leads US probably also to actual direct war with countries like Russia and China. And US will lose it, if there happens no improvement in these issues.

The US is demonstrating a fairly level-headed approach to the conflict, doing its best to avoid escalation. China is similarly guarded in its approach - neither they, nor the US wish for a wider war. The only unpredictable actor here is Putin: whether he's reckless enough to attack a NATO country or not is uncertain.

And I think that is sad, because I think US has the best constitution with the ten amendments. If she would have remained the land of the free, she would have been great. Now it seems she is utterly corrupt and fascistic, unfortunately. Yet, there is still hope, the people still have time to turn back to good path.

But, maybe I am wrong, lest hope so, because otherwise it will be painful ride that US will have.

The thirteenth amendment's pretty good, though? If you're committed to the 'land of the free', that is.

Whatever your views (or mine) on American politics, this thread's about God using Russia to fulfill a prophecy. We should get back to that.

[1213]

…1. This isn't really about the US, though, is it? Russia invades Ukraine on a false pretext. Ukraine can claim the 'moral high ground' here.

I think the attack is wrong, but the pretext seems to be true. There was civil war going on in Ukraine. If Russia would not have intervened, West Ukrainians would probably have continued to kill Eastern Ukrainians. But, even if the reason for Russia would be really the “peacekeeping operation”, I think it is wrong in all cases to intervene in other countries civil wars, not only for Russia but for all nations.

2. The first casualty of war is truth - but pause for a moment and consider why Russia's recently passed a law banning public opposition to Russia's actions in Ukraine.

I think censorship is wrong and it is sad that also in western countries freedom of speech has been revoked.

[Diagoras]

I think the attack is wrong, but the pretext seems to be true. There was civil war going on in Ukraine. If Russia would not have intervened, West Ukrainians would probably have continued to kill Eastern Ukrainians.

The 'Eastern Ukrainians' were Russian-backed separatists. Also, don't forget the reason for Crimea being annexed. The impression I get from you is that you're unwilling to see Russia as the aggressor, and I wonder why.

But, even if the reason for Russia would be really the “peacekeeping operation”,

It isn't. It's an invasion of a sovereign democracy.

I think it is wrong in all cases to intervene in other countries civil wars, not only for Russia but for all nations.

In which case, you should be advocating for Russia to leave all parts of Ukraine, and return the territory of Crimea.

I think censorship is wrong and it is sad that also in western countries freedom of speech has been revoked.

I agree that censorship is wrong.

Your comment about Western countries is overly broad: since it's not the case that every Western country has 'revoked' free speech, you'd need to back up your claim with some specific examples.

No particular need to do so though - we agree on the issue of censorship, and it's only tangential to the main debating point of the thread.

[JoeyKnothead]

The US government, led by plagiarizing Joe Biden has shown itself cowards in the face of aggression.

Biden needs to be removed, and someone brave put in place.

He's a coward, who accepts European cowardice.

FIGHT FOR UKRAINE! FIGHT FOR FREEDOM!

[alexxcJRO]

I agree that censorship is wrong.

Your comment about Western countries is overly broad: since it's not the case that every Western country has 'revoked' free speech, you'd need to back up your claim with some specific examples.

No particular need to do so though - we agree on the issue of censorship, and it's only tangential to the main debating point of the thread.

There is also the problem of the quality of news one is bombarded with.
The propaganda and bad way of doing news is well present in west media too. Its hard to know what details are real and what details are not.

Antena 3(affiliated with CNN) which is among the biggest media group in my country for example has propagated many times stories which were ridiculously distortions of reality.
One example is when they presented allege footage of a Ukrainian air defense system shooting down an Russian fighter plane as real when in fact the footage was from a video game called Arma 3. A great and famous defense & intelligence analyst and a general were present in the studio commenting.

https://www.libertatea.ro/stiri/antena- ... ei-4005144
https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... 3z8NqVOY6A

[We_Are_VENOM]

I do not believe God is using Russia (or any nation state) to fulfill his purpose, but do believe we are seeing the fulfillment of bible prophecy.

source : https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/mo ... ning-hope/

That is just nonsense, JW.

Truth be told; I have a cousin who is a Jehovah's Witness, and from time to time, he will send me text messages (he is dodging phone conversations) from JW.org pertaining to WTS teachings and in this case, Biblical prophecy (relating to Russia's invasion of Ukraine).

He sent a video from JW.org, and in the video, it is stated that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is the fulfillment of the Daniel 11 prophecy.

But if you actually READ Daniel 11, it is obvious that it has nothing to do with Russia's invasion of Ukraine...and when I pointed it out to him, like "Cuz, did you read Daniel 11? Can you explain to me how does that relate to Russian's invasion of Ukraine?"

Instead of elaborating on the Daniel 11 point, he instead called my attention to Matt 24:3-31, which is pretty much the Jehovah's Witnesses default answer to "end times"....it is like, when it doubt, go to Matt 24.

Anytime there is a brewing war anywhere in the world, Jehovah's Witnesses will say "See, that is what Jesus spoke about in Matt 24, we are in the end times!! Be ready!!"

And that is simply nonsense.

What had happened was, a lot of witnesses do not read the Bible in full context, they only read the excerpts that they are spoon fed from the organization.

I think my cousin, when prompted to actually READ Daniel 11, saw that it clearly had nothing to do with current events...so he dropped Daniel 11 and went to Matt 24, because Matt 24 is so vague (about wars/rumors of wars) that it can apply to current events and will have a beginner (the average person the JW may encounter) dive right in to the presentation from the Jehovah's Witness that a "prophecy" is being fulfilled.

The problem is, I am no beginner and those kind of bait/switch tactics do not work on me.

But to the average person that JW's encounter, they may not be as well versed/equipped on Christian theology and don't have any foundation of Biblical hermeneutics to stand on in order to be able to decipher the good stuff from the bad stuff.

Which is very..unfortunate.

I told my cousin straight up; "Your camp doesn't have a good track record on Biblical prophecy".

Sad, but true.