Happy Anniversary?

[myth-one.com]

Today, June 20th 2009, is the eighth anniversary of the sacrifice Andrea Yates made for her children. Had she not murdered them, Noah would be 15 years old, John would be 13, Paul 11, Luke 10, and Mary would be 8. Instead, they were murdered by their mother so they would go immediately to live with God eternally in the paradise of heaven, thus avoiding the possibility of eternal torment in hellfire.

Is this a victory for Christianity?

[ttruscott]

IF we are to be free from the evil that causes our suffering, then they must be banished from our reality. Heaven cannot be eternal bliss if it contains eternal evil. By the time of the final judgment, all those who are temporarily evil who can repent will have totally repented and come to accept the necessity of cleansing their whole house (reality) from all leaven (evil).

Or God can just mess with their free will to avoid all these.

Yes HE could. My answer as to why HE would not mess with their free will is that the final culmination of our creation and the eradication of evil from this reality is to be a wedding based upon love which can only arise from the free will of the participants.

Of course the options would be, if HE messed with the free will of the eternally evil ones to stop their evil we would have those in the heavenly state of telepathic communion of both emotional and intellectual content and those who are not a part of the marriage but wandering around like Stepford zombies being coerced into being nice to everyone or their banishment from this reality.

[Bust Nak]

Yes HE could. My answer as to why HE would not mess with their free will is that the final culmination of our creation and the eradication of evil from this reality is to be a wedding based upon love which can only arise from the free will of the participants.

So be more selective, mess with the free will of Satan while leaving those who want to be married to God to their own free will, which seems to be what you are suggested below.

Of course the options would be, if HE messed with the free will of the eternally evil ones to stop their evil we would have those in the heavenly state of telepathic communion of both emotional and intellectual content and those who are not a part of the marriage but wandering around like Stepford zombies being coerced into being nice to everyone...

And that does not sound like a win-win to you? Like I said - better for everyone.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 145 by ttruscott]

Better for who? Sin corrupts and the end of unchecked sin is total corruption.

According to Genesis, God walked and talked with Adam and Eve while they were in their naked state, which they only learned was a sin after eating the magic fruit. Apparently then, God can be in contact or close proximity to sin (whatever that is), and not be corrupted.

Also, what about all the stories of Jesus from the New Testament having meals with sinners? It seems kinda strange to me to try to mesh these stories with your view Ted - that Jesus/God can be in contact with 'sin' here on Earth, but in heaven or whatever it is you call the God dimension...he just can't. God can't be around sin.
It's like you're saying to me that here, matter and anti-matter can't come into contact with each other, but over there, they can coexist just fine.

Are you offering to allow Satan in all his complete psychotic degredation to live in your house with your family to save him from being sent to hell?

If I was an all powerful deity who would obviously have all the powers, abilities, knowledge and willingness to save my family from Satan's naughtiness...yes. The reason we humans don't allow registered child molesters to be alone with kids is because well...they're alone with kids. Outside of our immediate knowledge and supervision, and thus, if (or should I say when) those molesters harm the kids, that harm could have been prevented if we had been around to monitor the situation.
This is all just a variation of the Sandy Hook thread that was popular a few months back.