Liberal Christians only believe some "fundamentalism?

[AlAyeti]

There are now political Christians wanting to "re-claim" Christianity from whatever the "Right" is, or has done to it. Claiming that their way of Christianity is more like what Jesus would want.

But many of these Liberal positions hold to funadamentalism on the poor, the needy and anti-war and violence, but oppose Biblical truth on many other issues.

Why do Liberal Christians deny the truths of the New Testament on marriage and children as defined by Jesus himself?

Liberals will teach about condom usage but decry the Biblical truth about abstaining from sex until marriage as something ignorant or intolerant?

Why are not Liberal Christians funding missionaries to go to Muslim and other countries to spread the Gospel exactly the way Jesus described and exactly the way it is presented in the Gospels?

How can Liberal Christians support a womans right to kill her unborn child and encourage a woman to go and do it, while at the same time, denying the same rights of choice on the matter be given equal recognition to the father of the child?

How and why can Liberal Christians call themselves Christians while only preaching and teaching some immutable Christian positions and not all?

[AlAyeti]

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45-million abortions in America alone.

Al, you should check your facts and explain them in context instead of just babeling something like it was true.

So I was under? Yuck.

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Of the estimated 45 million abortions worldwide annually, only 25 million are legal. At least 70,000 women die each year as a consequence of unsafe abortion, and millions more suffer severe health problems.

http://www.un.org/geninfo/faq/factsheets/FS6.HTM


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National Right to Life reports that nearly 45 million abortions were performed in the United States between 1973, when the Supreme Court legalized the procedure, and the end of 2003.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialRepor ... 0118a.html
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According to the UN's figures, out of about 185 million pregnancies [in the world] each year 75 million are unwanted, resulting in about 45 million abortions of which 20 million are performed in unsafe circumstances. At least 585,000 women die each year (equaling a jumbo jet crashing every 6 hours) from those pregnancies, through abortion or for lack of the basic requirements for safe delivery." (J. Guillebaude Contraception, your questions answered (3rd edit.) London: Churchill-Livingstone 1999)

If I can find the thread We need to talk about you veiws of Muslims and the Crusades. Also the Knights Templer were real as well as a tale. And the Cathars were real also and not Muslim. Where is that thread?

Oh this would be fun.

How Many Abortions Performed Since 1973?

How many abortions altogether have there been since the Roe v. Wade decision? Given that there are disagreements over numbers and that there are abortionists who do not report, a precise figure is hard to come by. Nevertheless, we can use the numbers we do have to arrive at some pretty close estimates of the total number of children lost to abortion since 1973.

NRLC typically uses the numbers reported by the Alan Guttmacher Institute (AGI) to compute its totals. Unlike the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), AGI surveys abortionists directly rather than passively accepting what is sent to it. Therefore AGI's totals are both higher and more accurate.

AGI, however, does not conduct its survey every year. This makes it necessary to develop projections for the non-reporting years based on trends shown in CDC reports. This is possible because, although they have different base numbers, CDC and AGI figures roughly track one another, generally increasing or decreasing by similar percentages.

The last AGI numbers are for 1996. Totaling all of AGI's figures 1973-1996, the number of abortions through 1996 is 35,316,203. To bring that figure up through the end of 1999 requires several steps.

The first step is based on the fact that the CDC reported a 3% drop in the number of abortions between 1996 and 1997. Since AGI reported 1,365,730 abortions in 1996, we arrive at an estimated number of abortions in the U.S. for 1997 at 1,324,758 (the 1996 figure minus 3%). That would raise the figure through 1997 to 36,640,961. But what about 1998 and 1999? To be conservative, we will assume that figure did not decline further - - that the number of abortions for 1998 and for 1999 was the same as for 1997. Under that scenario, AGI's figure would show a total of 38,146,094 abortions from 1973 to 1999 (36,640,961 plus 1,324,758 x two).

Even that figure is incomplete. As AGI itself admits, it is not able to tally all abortions. If one factors in the additional 3% of abortions AGI says may be missed due to underreporting, the total figure since 1973 rises to 39,290,477.

I'm believing that there are a lot of immoral people out there. But I don't want to put a number on that until I read the newspaper tomorrow.

[bernee51]

This is where I will trust you.

You know you can do that.

A Christian says that if we legalize the abortion pill for high school age girls then their will be an increase in sexual promiscuity and STD's. This has been proven as 100% accurate.

You cannot prove that the abortion pill was the only factor - and of course iit wasn't, was it?

A occured before B and kids have AIDS and a whole lot of other promiscuity and sexually occuring problems. Just like Christians said would happen.

A {plus C, plus D. plus n) occcured before B

...and kids have AIDS

Really? What is the infection rate of AIDS in children in the USofA?

...and a whole lot of other promiscuity and sexually occuring problems.

Yes - irresponsible sexual behaviour can be wrought with potential problems for some.
I wonder what causes it?

That is arse backwards?

No - you seem to have at least the order correct..

If so I'll be wrong the third time in 1300+ posts.

Seems so.

[AlAyeti]

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Evolution to atheism to godless behavior to unrestrained lascivious licentiousness.

45-million abortions in America alone. Men demanding to marry men. MTV political activism.

Sodom rising "like the Phoenix."

Certainly arson is traced back to the origin of the cause of the destruction.

There is nothing false in the cause of godless behavior.

I like you AI, your funny, but now i will put you in a corner and demand an answer to this question which sorta combines your entire opinion about people: Tell me;

I'd rather have your disdain. Thank you.

1. In what way is 45 million abortions in United States (i presume you meant US when saying America, which is a continent). a bad thing?

Murder is a bad thing. Whores and their many, many, sex partners also spread disease and do not live very happy lives. I know many. I am a Christian in a relatively free society.

2. In what way is "Men demanding to marry men" a bad thing? Explain.

When will the madness end? Why "just" license one perversion? Why not bring back legalized slavery many people choose this anyway as we write?

3. In what way is "godless behavior" a bad thing? Explain.

Sexually transmitted disease, crime, drugs, Liberal politicians, high taxation of decent people to pay for the miscreant, porno and sex slaves, abortion, European morality seen as a good thing lazy vapid children. Geez the list is endless . . .

I hope you will answer these simple questions, as they are clearly part of your idealogy and beliefs, which forms your behaviour.

You didn't ask me if I about my views on answering sociopathic questions?

[Cathar1950]

A Christian says that if we legalize the abortion pill for high school age girls then their will be an increase in sexual promiscuity and STD's. This has been proven as 100% accurate.

Actually many of them are getting pregnant practicing abstinence.
It isn't 100% anything.

[palmera]

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3. In what way is "godless behavior" a bad thing? Explain.


Sexually transmitted disease, crime, drugs, Liberal politicians, high taxation of decent people to pay for the miscreant, porno and sex slaves, abortion, European morality seen as a good thing lazy vapid children. Geez the list is endless

Al, p-l-e-a-s-e tell me you're not equating rich people with decency and poor people with miscreancy, sexual depravity, crimes against humanity, and abortion. It sure reads this way.

Further it seems that you're saying tax dollars are used by the government for porn production. Certainly those who produce pornography are some of the richest in the U.S... and they are some of the most heavily taxed- so where does that fall in line with your decency characterization?

Please explain your line of argument here- did I misunderstand what you wrote?

Also, where's the evidence that legalizing the abortion pill leads to higher rates of sexual promiscuity? How do you measure that?

[Cathar1950]

I read that miscarriages were counted with abortions in the data collection.
AlAyeti wrote:

If so I'll be wrong the third time in 1300+ posts.

I think that is only 3 you admitted to in 1300+ posts.
Maybe you just nothing in the others. Lot of repeating and words like

unrestrained lascivious licentiousness.

and graphic sex details don't count.

[Quarkhead]

But many of these Liberal positions hold to funadamentalism on the poor, the needy and anti-war and violence, but oppose Biblical truth on many other issues.

It is heartening to see that you agree that the liberal positions on poverty, war, and violence are Biblically fundamental.

As for the whole; because they are hypocrites. No big surprise. The same exact question could be reversed and asked of 'conservative' Christians. How can they be fundamentalist about X but not Y? Because a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest (thanks Mr. Simon!).

[Cathar1950]

AlAyeti wrote:

When will the madness end? Why "just" license one perversion? Why not bring back legalized slavery many people choose this anyway as we write?

Because your "perversions" are not related to slavery. Most of what you call "perverions" such as

Sexually transmitted disease, crime, drugs, Liberal politicians, high taxation of decent people to pay for the miscreant, porno and sex slaves, abortion, European morality seen as a good thing lazy vapid children. Geez the list is endless . . .
I'm believing that there are a lot of immoral people out there. But I don't want to put a number on that until I read the newspaper tomorrow.

Include things that are sometimes tragic(in the case of drugs, disease, crime, prostitution and high taxes) consequences of complex psycho-social dynamics and economics factors and not just some failure of morality by Liberal politicians, homosexuals, and education, lazy children and European morality. I am not sure what you could mean by that but I am sure it is of as the rest. Crime has been shown to increase with unemployment. Poor conditions breed abuse such as sex slavery and prostition maybe not a cause but at least there is a correlation. While you causes seems to be more effect then your lack of useful alternatives amounts to preaching hellfire, morality, and narrow "biblical" interpretations with poor analogies such as "Why not bring back legalized slavery?".
Now I am not sure what your referring to concerning taxation. I know that there has been complaints about fed. money going to project that is considered porno by some people. It is not the issue. That issue is with freedom of expression. Religion in this country is not taxed and many religious poor support churches as well as education and the arts.
They are taxed on everything. I think for some Slavery is already a way of life. You contribution bitching about liberals and homosexuals and calling any one unbiblical is not only simple minded, wrong headed but useless.

A occured before B and kids have AIDS and a whole lot of other promiscuity and sexually occuring problems. Just like Christians said would happen

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They say nothing of the kind and there causes are off. They also have worthless alternatives.
Not all Christians! Some have deep sympathy and concern and yearn for social justice and civil rights and food and shelter. People from such areas as "the Otherside" and "Sojouners" and many caring groups. All get there leading from the "scriptures" and what they think is "Christ like" behavior.
They are often joined by Atheist, Liberals, Agnostics ,and Humanist. They share a common humanitarian ethics.

bernee51 wrote:

A {plus C, plus D. plus n) occcured before B

Yes - irresponsible sexual behaviour can be wrought with potential problems for some.
I wonder what causes it?

Yes it needs to be pointed out that "n" is many numbers and we could be forced to use the Greek AlphBeta.
But What are the causes and how do prevent then while also dealing with them in a practical, just, humane and civil manner that does not blame the victim and cause us to say "it is their fault" or "I told you some sin was bad".
It kind of reminds me of "South Park" were the parents were trying to save their children from perverts. So they wouldn't let them out of the house or talk to people until they found out that most abuse takes place at home by people they know and love. So all the parents sent their kids off on their own most likely to die and perish from starvation and poverty.
You comments and analysis are as useful Al.
AlAyeti wrote:

Quarkhead wrote:

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But many of these Liberal positions hold to funadamentalism on the poor, the needy and anti-war and violence, but oppose Biblical truth on many other issues.

It is heartening to see that you agree that the liberal positions on poverty, war, and violence are Biblically fundamental.

As for the whole; because they are hypocrites. No big surprise. The same exact question could be reversed and asked of 'conservative' Christians. How can they be fundamentalist about X but not Y? Because a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest (thanks Mr. Simon!).

Yes we are all limited. I do not see the godless as having and more or less then the any one else. Despite differences we all can see a hungry person or those in need. It is a shame that Conservatives and Liberals or Atheist and others can not at least work on the things we know and feel in common. Then as a hobby we can diverse and experiment. Of course wit in reason.
It is always to easy to call some one a hypocrite or a heretic or a heathen then it is to sit down and pass the food. It is even harder to share it.

[trencacloscas]

A {plus C, plus D. plus n) occcured before B

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
Where did I read this before?...

[Cathar1950]

trencacloscas wrote:

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
Where did I read this before?...

I am sure I have seen it a few times and it seems to be used frequently.
It is a kin to "slippery slope".
Read enough and you get to hear then all. Very seldom do you hear a new one.