The Checkmate Question

[SallyF]

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

[SallyF]

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

The Checkmate Question is a very simple question.

The Cloak of Prophecy was correct once again. Not one Christian gave a straight answer.

NO god is EVER shown to exist outside the human imagination … including the biblical Jehovah.

The biblical Jehovah, therefore, has the same LEVEL of imaginariness as any other god.

ANY god MAY exist outside the human imagination.

But given our current level of evidence concerning gods …

Jehovah is AS imaginary as any other god.

Checkmate Christians …!

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to post 1 by SallyF]

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

Your question presupposes a conclusion so it is really not a question. You have not established that any god is imaginary let alone the Christian God. Before this question could be asked in this form it would first have to be establish that gods in general are imaginary.

So do you have any documented scientific proof that gods are imaginary?

[SallyF]

[Replying to post 1 by SallyF]

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

Your question presupposes a conclusion so it is really not a question. You have not established that any god is imaginary let alone the Christian God. Before this question could be asked in this form it would first have to be establish that gods in general are imaginary.

So do you have any documented scientific proof that gods are imaginary?

Please read the above post VERY carefully.

We are talking of an equivalent level of imaginariness here.

The biblical Jehovah is AS imaginary as any other god.

And …

As I've SAID …

ANY god may NOT be imaginary.

Please read the above post carefully.

Or simply blow me away by posting just the tiniest hint of something approaching evidence that Jehovah exists anywhere other than in your imagination.

If you can't …

It's Checkmate.

[bjs]

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

The Checkmate Question is a very simple question.

The Cloak of Prophecy was correct once again. Not one Christian gave a straight answer.

Have you considered the possibility that instead of a Cloak of Prophecy what you actually have a self-fulling prophecy? When you ask a loaded question, when you refuse to provide a standard of evidence, when you ignore criticisms to your reasoning, when you presuppose a conclusion in your question then it is impossible to give a simple “straight� answer. It is, as JW pointed out, like asking someone “Have you stopped beating your wife yet.�

In short: When you don’t ask a straight question then you won’t get a straight answer.

But you already knew that.

[Clownboat]

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

The Checkmate Question is a very simple question.

The Cloak of Prophecy was correct once again. Not one Christian gave a straight answer.

Have you considered the possibility that instead of a Cloak of Prophecy what you actually have a self-fulling prophecy? When you ask a loaded questions, when you refuse to provide a standard of evidence, when you ignore criticisms to your reasoning, when you presuppose a conclusion in your question then it is impossible to give a simple “straight� answer. It is, as JW pointed out, like asking someone “Have you stopped beating your wife yet.�

In short: When you don’t ask a straight question then you won’t get a straight answer.

But you already knew that.

I'm confused.
Is this suppose to be evidence that the biblical deity Jehovah is not as imaginary as any other god?
I'm thinking not as it reads as complaining rather than debating.

Just for your info though, yes, I have stopped beating my wife. Never started in fact. This is me stepping up to the plate.

It would be amazing if you stepped up to the plate.

Perhaps there is no evidence that would suggest Jehovah being any less imaginary than other god concepts out there? That would explain what is going on in this thread.

[SallyF]

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

Pretend Christian Answer:

No …!

Jehovah is NOT as imaginary as any other god, because I can demonstrate that Jehovah exists outside of my imagination by presenting this comprehensive list of independently verifiable evidence:

a)

b)

c)

d)

e)

f)



But if the list is as blank as it is for every other god …

Then Jehovah has the SAME LEVEL of imaginariness as any other god.

Checkmate Christians …!

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to post 23 by SallyF]

You still have no evidence that there is not a God.

Just like you have no evidence of how you could be here without God. Do you have any evidence of how you could be here without God?

If you have no evidence of how you could be here without God, God cannot be ruled out.

[Wootah]

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

Even if imaginary He is not avoidable like the other gods.

If that is true, and I'll defend it, would you believe?

What I mean is the Jordan Peterson view that we should live as if there is a God called YHWH.

I've looked at the evidence for naturalism and I can't for the life of me see how anyone can rationally subscribe to it. Lord knows I have tried. This for me is basically an argument from contradiction. Naturalism is so contradictory, from subjective morality to determinism, that the opposite must be true.

Even intelligent atheists that I admire are at least subscribing to the idea we are in a simulation. Why is that? Because the miracle of life is too much to give credit to naturalism.

Nearly everything in the Bible is gold if you take your filters off and read it and then get into the meaning behind it and then apply it to your life.

Jesus is a model that even if imaginary we should follow. The whole Old Testament predicted and pointed to His coming so obviously that it makes me wonder how that is possible?

If you should follow Jesus even if he is imaginary then surely you can concede you are in checkmate.

[Tcg]

I've looked at the evidence for naturalism and I can't for the life of me see how anyone can rationally subscribe to it. Lord knows I have tried. This for me is basically an argument from contradiction. Naturalism is so contradictory, from subjective morality to determinism, that the opposite must be true.

This is not evidence that naturalism isn't true. In order to show that naturalism is false, you'd need to show that supernaturalism is true.


Tcg

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 20 by 1213]

I don’t believe people could imagine Bible God. I think people are too evil and know so little to be able to imagine Bible God.

Yahweh is nothing more than a bronze age warlord with added superpowers. You don't need much imagination to produce that. On the other hand, there are thousands of other gods and fictional characters that demonstrate far more creative imagination on the part of human beings. I should add that it is very sad that you have such a low opinion of humanity and consider people to be so evil. That aside, you don't have to be evil to have a vivid imagination.

Bible shows knowledge that I think people would not have had without God. For example, what happens in future, how earth got this current form… …also, if Bible would be just human imagination, atheists would understand what Bible is saying and they could show mistakes in it.

The Bible contains no knowledge beyond what was available to people at the time and perhaps some lucky guesses and coincidences when you consider what dedicated research has revealed to this day. People continue to show the mistakes contained in the Bible but for the die-hard believer that is all just like water off a duck's back.