Thanks to our friend TRANSPONDER here:
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Their statement below made me wonder.
They said: "I find it difficult to believe that people can read the Bible and say 'Wow! That just has to be true!'"
For discussion:
Has ANYONE read the entire bible and made this decision based on that reading alone?
What made you come to that conclusion, exactly?
Was there anything you read that made you think 'Well, that doesn't make sense!'?
Did it take more than a simple reading of the bible to come to the conclusion you did (be it true or false)?
Reading the Bible and say 'Wow! That just has to be true!'
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Reading the Bible and say 'Wow! That just has to be true!'
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Re: Reading the Bible and say 'Wow! That just has to be true!'
Post #21I don't think so.
Genesis 1.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Actual order:
Lights in the firmament. (Stars, planets)
Sun, Moon and the 'firmament' (sky) to make morning and evening (Pre - Archon)
Fish (Devonian)
Vegetation (Carbiniferous)
Living creatures, ( Permian)
grass and birds (Jurassic)
Whales and land beasts (miocene)
Biblical order
grass and seeds (Jurassic)
Lights in the firmament. (Stars, planets)
Sun, Moon and the 'firmament' (sky) to make morning and evening (Pre - Archon)
Fish (Devonian) birds (Jurassic)
Living creatures, (Cambruan - Permian) Whales and land beasts (miocene)
While it's not hard to suppose that fish are less developed than animals, it's a bit too glib to dismiss birds as the only mistake that Genesis makes as grass is Jurassic, too, and 'great whales' (being animals that evolved back to the sea) are later even than that. And of course 'creeping things' and various beasts were before grass and birds.
Let alone the total mess of Babylonian snow -dome cosmology, there's not much that Genesis gets right, assuming that one credits the science. Thing is that one has to know the actual order of events as I bet most people thought there was grass from the start and saw whales along with fish. Without that, 'birds' may be the only obvious thing that looks wrong.
Genesis 1.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Actual order:
Lights in the firmament. (Stars, planets)
Sun, Moon and the 'firmament' (sky) to make morning and evening (Pre - Archon)
Fish (Devonian)
Vegetation (Carbiniferous)
Living creatures, ( Permian)
grass and birds (Jurassic)
Whales and land beasts (miocene)
Biblical order
grass and seeds (Jurassic)
Lights in the firmament. (Stars, planets)
Sun, Moon and the 'firmament' (sky) to make morning and evening (Pre - Archon)
Fish (Devonian) birds (Jurassic)
Living creatures, (Cambruan - Permian) Whales and land beasts (miocene)
While it's not hard to suppose that fish are less developed than animals, it's a bit too glib to dismiss birds as the only mistake that Genesis makes as grass is Jurassic, too, and 'great whales' (being animals that evolved back to the sea) are later even than that. And of course 'creeping things' and various beasts were before grass and birds.
Let alone the total mess of Babylonian snow -dome cosmology, there's not much that Genesis gets right, assuming that one credits the science. Thing is that one has to know the actual order of events as I bet most people thought there was grass from the start and saw whales along with fish. Without that, 'birds' may be the only obvious thing that looks wrong.
