There is Direct Evidence of Gen 1, and none for the Big Bang & Human Evolution.

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There is Direct Evidence of Gen 1, and none for the Big Bang & Human Evolution.

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Normally it's us believers in creation of the universe and man by God, that have to answer to unbelievers. But what about the believers in a universe and man made without God. Shouldn't they also have to answer to us unbelievers? Yes, of course, especially since Gen 1 is stated as fact, while the Big Bang and human evolution are not stated as fact, but only theory.

That fact alone alone proves any universe and man made without God, is not a factual argument. Where no fact is claimed, there is no fact to be argued. Only where fact is claimed, can there be any argument of fact.

In the factual argument of Gen 1, there is daily direct evidence of God's creating all the stars set apart from one another, God creating men and women in His own image: The universe of stars are self-evidently set apart from one another, and are never in the same place at any time. And, all men and women are self-evidently set apart from all animals, and are never the same creature at any time.

In the theoretical argument of the Big Bang and human evolution, there is no direct evidence of all the stars ever being in the same place at their beginning, nor of any man or woman ever being a male or female ape from our beginning. There is no evidence of a Big Bang starting place, nor of an ape-man or woman.

Gen 1 states as fact, that in their beginning God creates all the stars, as lights of an expansive universe turned on all at the same time. This is daily seen in the universe. While, the Big Bang is stated as a theory alone, that all the stars began as an explosion of light from one place. This was never seen nor proven by direct evidence of the event.

Gen 1 also states as fact, that in our own beginning God creates all men and women in His own image, as persons uniquely different from all animals. While the human evolution theory, states that all persons began as a birth of man from ape. That was never seen nor proven by direct evidence of the event.

There's more in-depth clarification to follow, if anyone wants to take a look. But, the argument is as self-explanatory, as it is self-evident. (Unless of course anyone can show any error in the argument, whether with the explanation and/or the facts and theories as stated...)
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Re: There is Direct Evidence of Gen 1, and none for the Big Bang & Human Evolution.

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[Replying to RBD in post #227]
I never say the past is not possible, but only that our human blood and life now separates from that of all animals. It means we are not animal now.
We still have animal bodies now. How can you deny that?

Human blood has different blood types, and animal blood has different types, but human and animal blood is never the same type.
Remember this?

"Our closest relatives have the same blood groups as we do, with subtle differences"

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"For example, testing blood samples using human monoclonal antibodies, you would find that bonobos have exclusively type A blood; chimpanzees are predominantly A with smaller number having type O; Orangutans from Borneo have all four blood types, A, B, AB and O.
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https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/jun-12- ... -1.6062427
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Re: There is Direct Evidence of Gen 1, and none for the Big Bang & Human Evolution.

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RBD wrote: Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:45 pm
POI wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:56 pm
If you agree a), b), and d) are considered acts of morality, and not just acts of instinct, then you must logically also admit that such said animals commit moral acts.
That's the point. You choose to call similar acts of instinct, makes animals moral. Animals are not moral beings. They cannot choose between doing good and evil. Animals are not righteous nor unrighteous.
You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Please pick one... a), b), and d) are considered...

1) instinctual actions
2) moral actions
RBD wrote: Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:45 pm
POI wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:56 pm Your entire motive here is to try and prove the existence of a god.
Quote me where this is about proving God is.
Please see the parts in red.
RBD wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:27 pm Normally it's us believers in creation of the universe and man by God, that have to answer to unbelievers. But what about the believers in a universe and man made without God. Shouldn't they also have to answer to us unbelievers? Yes, of course, especially since Gen 1 is stated as fact, while the Big Bang and human evolution are not stated as fact, but only theory.

That fact alone alone proves any universe and man made without God, is not a factual argument. Where no fact is claimed, there is no fact to be argued. Only where fact is claimed, can there be any argument of fact.

In the factual argument of Gen 1, there is daily direct evidence of God's creating all the stars set apart from one another, God creating men and women in His own image: The universe of stars are self-evidently set apart from one another, and are never in the same place at any time. And, all men and women are self-evidently set apart from all animals, and are never the same creature at any time.

In the theoretical argument of the Big Bang and human evolution, there is no direct evidence of all the stars ever being in the same place at their beginning, nor of any man or woman ever being a male or female ape from our beginning. There is no evidence of a Big Bang starting place, nor of an ape-man or woman.

Gen 1 states as fact, that in their beginning God creates all the stars, as lights of an expansive universe turned on all at the same time. This is daily seen in the universe. While, the Big Bang is stated as a theory alone, that all the stars began as an explosion of light from one place. This was never seen nor proven by direct evidence of the event.

Gen 1 also states as fact, that in our own beginning God creates all men and women in His own image, as persons uniquely different from all animals. While the human evolution theory, states that all persons began as a birth of man from ape. That was never seen nor proven by direct evidence of the event.

There's more in-depth clarification to follow, if anyone wants to take a look. But, the argument is as self-explanatory, as it is self-evident. (Unless of course anyone can show any error in the argument, whether with the explanation and/or the facts and theories as stated...)
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RBD wrote: Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:45 pm It's only proving Gen 1 has more direct evidence, than primate-human evolution and the big bang theories.
That is because when you are given direct evidence, you then react/respond with a strawman argument.
RBD wrote: Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:45 pm You leave God out of it, and stick to the arguments at hand, and I won't have to get you back on track.
This statement presents as very hypocritical, being you mentioned 'God' 7 times in the original post. :)
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:

"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."

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