Why do you not accept Islam?

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Why do you not accept Islam?

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What reasons do any here have to reject Islam?

Is Islam the most accurate representation of god?
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marco wrote: If you wish to join Islam simply recite the Shahada (with conviction): There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet.

Jesus is a respected prophet in Islam. ....
Also Bible says theres only one true God. But because Quran says people should believe Jesus, shouldnt all Muslims become Christians then, or is the Quran false teaching?
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1213 wrote:
marco wrote: If you wish to join Islam simply recite the Shahada (with conviction): There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet.

Jesus is a respected prophet in Islam. ....
Also Bible says theres only one true God. But because Quran says people should believe Jesus, shouldnt all Muslims become Christians then, or is the Quran false teaching?

The Koran says there is only ONE God and God has no son. Jesus, like Moses and Abraham, is a revered messenger, a prophet, not divine. Muhammad was sent to correct misinterpretations of God's word and as the final Prophet, Muhammad is the most important one, the bearer of God's truth.

Or so Muslims believe.

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The rules mandate that one should post something longer than one word. So - forgive the verbosity, but... tautology

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Is no one interested in historical criteria?

Mohammed asked Allah why he was not endowed with the power to perform miracles; he was told the teachings were enough. Thus, the self-proclaimed evidence in favor of Islam are proverbs.

In addition, the self-proclaimed evidence of Islam is the success of their conquests: military might.

In addition, the self-proclaimed evidence for Islam is the beauty of the original Arabic of the Koran.

So then, Islam itself is to be accepted based on:

1) proverbs

2) military success

3) its unrivaled poetry


Now it is late for me, and I studied Islam a long time ago, so maybe I missed something. But I am fairly certain that the Koran (perhaps it is another religious writing) explains why Mohammed could not perform miracles.

As I can see, the self-proposed criteria is highly subjective.

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[Replying to post 24 by Justin108]

"The only fair way to assess a religion is to look at the religious teachings, and in both Islam and Christianity, there are commandments to kill non-believers, kill homosexuals, kill adulterers, etc. "

This news for Christians. Please offer some refferences.

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Monta wrote: [Replying to post 24 by Justin108]

"The only fair way to assess a religion is to look at the religious teachings, and in both Islam and Christianity, there are commandments to kill non-believers, kill homosexuals, kill adulterers, etc. "

This news for Christians. Please offer some refferences.
Deuteronomy 17
"If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."


Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.


Leviticus 20:10
"'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.


"Oh but that's in the Old Testament"
- doesn't matter. It's the same God. The fact that he later changed his mind doesn't change the fact that you worship a God that once commanded the death of unbelievers, homosexuals and adulterers. Your god is just as evil as Islam's god.

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[Replying to post 36 by Justin108]


""Oh but that's in the Old Testament"
- doesn't matter. It's the same God. The fact that he later changed his mind doesn't change the fact that you worship a God that once commanded the death of unbelievers, homosexuals and adulterers. Your god is just as evil as Islam's god."

Correct and yes it does matter.
If the OT was sufficient to meet spiritual needs of the time, there would not have been need for the new teaching - New Testament. The Word, Divine Truth came to live among us and taught us how to interpret some of the things in OT and gave us new comandmants - to love one another, to forgive, to turn the other cheek etc. in which case your post is out of place.

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Monta wrote: [Replying to post 36 by Justin108]


""Oh but that's in the Old Testament"
- doesn't matter. It's the same God. The fact that he later changed his mind doesn't change the fact that you worship a God that once commanded the death of unbelievers, homosexuals and adulterers. Your god is just as evil as Islam's god."

Correct and yes it does matter.
If the OT was sufficient to meet spiritual needs of the time, there would not have been need for the new teaching - New Testament. The Word, Divine Truth came to live among us and taught us how to interpret some of the things in OT and gave us new comandmants - to love one another, to forgive, to turn the other cheek etc. in which case your post is out of place.
Do you worship a god that at one point commanded the death of unbelievers, homosexuals and adulterers? Yes or no?

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Re: Why do you not accept Islam?

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[Replying to post 38 by Justin108]

Seconded, and to elaborate, did the NT over-rule these in such a way that it was obvious these laws should no longer be followed?

Did Jesus say you should over-look Deuteronomy, or support it?

"Whom God condemns, is it lawful to succor?"

So, by having modern views, and disregarding the OT, which, BTW people seem to believe Jesus does not over-rule, but supports, are those who believe this condemning themselves?
Do you worship a god that at one point commanded the death of unbelievers, homosexuals and adulterers? Yes or no?

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tfvespasianus wrote:
tautology
This is thought-provoking Vespasian but I am incapable of expanding your single word into anything meaningfully relevant.

Asked for an explanation, I offered one and I see nothing redundant in its composition.

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