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"Slavery" in the Bible

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Allow us readers to be very careful. We must make sure we identify the proper context here, to assure against hasty and/or self-serving conclusions.

Exodus 21:2-3:

"2 "If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him." <-- Okay, this seems clear enough, if you are a purchased Hebrew, with a wife, you are both to go free in year 7. :ok:

Exodus 21:4:

"4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free." <-- Here is where things start to look sketchy for the modern-day believer. If the slave is provided with a wife, and they have kids, the wife and kids are to stay with the slave master. They are not to go free.

Exodus 21:5-6:

"5 "But if the servant declares, I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free, 6 then his master must take him before the judges.[a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life." <-- More uncomfortability for the Christian here. Without getting into the weeds, common sense suggests a special rule is made to trick the male Hebrew into remaining a slave for life.

Leviticus 25:44-46:

"44 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." <-- More awkwardness for the believer, as the Bible reader clammers to find a rationale to make this passage not read the way it does.

Here is a basic definition of chattel slavery --> "Chattel slavery is full slavery in its traditional form whereby slaves are the complete property of their master, can be bought and sold by him and treated in any way that he wishes, which may include torture and other brutality, excessively bad working conditions, and sexual exploitation"

Looks like all the ingredients fit the given Bible description here, minus the torture. Wait a minute, this is covered in the rest of Exodus 21. (i.e.):

"20 "Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." <-- So basically, since the slave is your property, beatings with impunity are acceptable. Just don't kill them.

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By applying common sense, does/did the Bible ever, and/or currently still sanction chattel slavery?

Again, by using common sense, can a believer effectively use the Bible in support of breeding chattel slaves?

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Before you answer, consider this.... Since the NT does not mention the abolition of 'slavery', and yet the Bible makes further proclamation(s) and/or addendums (in favor of retaining 'slavery',) this means the Bible is not against chattel slavery either. Further, the Christian may want to introduce the importance of the 'golden rule'. However, the specifics outweigh the generals. The specifics of the rules for engagement of slavery are outside the 'golden rule'. Otherwise, the Bible would be a one-pager. 'Slavery' is an expressed exception to the general rule. Thus, anytime a specific scenario is not invoked, yes, 'golden rule.'
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1213 wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 12:25 am
POI wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:15 pm ...The specifics outweigh the generals. ...
Where does the Bible say so? Why do you think you can tell what rules are to be used and what not?
Do you think a) chattel slavery practices <and> b) slave breeding are both exceptions to the 'golden rule', or not?
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POI wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 3:15 am
1213 wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2025 12:25 am
POI wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:15 pm ...The specifics outweigh the generals. ...
Where does the Bible say so? Why do you think you can tell what rules are to be used and what not?
Do you think a) chattel slavery practices <and> b) slave breeding are both exceptions to the 'golden rule', or not?
I think there is no exceptions to the golden rule. All rules should be held so that also the golden rule is kept. This means, if you can't keep a slave without braking the golden rule, then you don't do so.
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1213 wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:25 am I think there is no exceptions to the golden rule.....
Then why does the Bible endorse both a) chattel slavery and b) slave breeding?
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POI wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 11:41 am
1213 wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:25 am I think there is no exceptions to the golden rule.....
Then why does the Bible endorse both a) chattel slavery and b) slave breeding?
I think Bible accepts slavery, because if one obeys also the golden rule, it would not be bad for the people.
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1213 wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 2:10 am
POI wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 11:41 am
1213 wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:25 am I think there is no exceptions to the golden rule.....
Then why does the Bible endorse both a) chattel slavery and b) slave breeding?
I think Bible accepts slavery, because if one obeys also the golden rule, it would not be bad for the people.
How exactly is the (golden rule) logically compatible with a) chattel slavery and b) slave breeding?
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POI wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 12:39 pm
1213 wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 2:10 am
POI wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 11:41 am
1213 wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:25 am I think there is no exceptions to the golden rule.....
Then why does the Bible endorse both a) chattel slavery and b) slave breeding?
I think Bible accepts slavery, because if one obeys also the golden rule, it would not be bad for the people.
How exactly is the (golden rule) logically compatible with a) chattel slavery and b) slave breeding?
Slavery, oppression, injustice, brutality, tyranny, and a host of other evils are most common among degenerate rebels against God. Christians who understand and serve God acceptibly oppose such wickedness.

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POI wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2025 12:39 pm ...
How exactly is the (golden rule) logically compatible with a) chattel slavery and b) slave breeding?
Buying a slave from an evil nation that sells their people, improves the life of the person, because he gets into a nation that has the golden rule.

And golden rule is compatible with slavery, when both agree about the slavery, if slave accepts it and wants to be in that position, it is not against the golden rule.
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marke wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:45 am Slavery, oppression, injustice, brutality, tyranny, and a host of other evils are most common among degenerate rebels against God. Christians who understand and serve God acceptibly oppose such wickedness.
Hmm, if you agree slavery is evil and wicked, then why does the Bible condone it?
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1213 wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:05 am Buying a slave from an evil nation that sells their people, improves the life of the person, because he gets into a nation that has the golden rule.
The Bible sanctions beating with impunity, as long as the slave does not die. How does this apply to the "golden rule" in any capacity?
1213 wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:05 am And golden rule is compatible with slavery, when both agree about the slavery, if slave accepts it and wants to be in that position, it is not against the golden rule.
But the Bible states that the women and children are not to go free, as the males do. This means it is not the slave's choice at all, in these cases.
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POI wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:16 am
marke wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:45 am Slavery, oppression, injustice, brutality, tyranny, and a host of other evils are most common among degenerate rebels against God. Christians who understand and serve God acceptibly oppose such wickedness.
Hmm, if you agree slavery is evil and wicked, then why does the Bible condone it?
God directed His people on the proper treatment of slaves under the theocratic Jewish state in the Old Testament. Modern Christians have opposed slavery in the US for hundreds of years. The US is not a theocratic Jewish nation.

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