Why do the Gospel accounts vary so much? They seem to disagree!

[oldbadger]

The gospel accounts don't agree with each other, or so it seems to me.

For example: Why did the Gospel of Mark tell of the 'Temple clearance' happening in the last week of his mission when the Gospel of John tells us that it happened in the first weeks? ........most strange.

...............and more to come.

[oldbadger]

No, no. Unless you can show me otherwise,............

I didn't need to read the rest......
That looks like some kind of demand with menaces.

You've been shown a simple method of filing various opinion/belief systems, and also a simple equation to show you how illogical it is to try and place Deism under the umbrella of Theism.

But now you're making unreasonable posts about Deism.

We're done.

[TRANSPONDER]

No, no. Unless you can show me otherwise,............

I didn't need to read the rest......
That looks like some kind of demand with menaces.

You've been shown a simple method of filing various opinion/belief systems, and also a simple equation to show you how illogical it is to try and place Deism under the umbrella of Theism.

But now you're making unreasonable posts about Deism.

We're done.

I have debunked with examples and definitions your argument. Your filing system doesn't alter that, nor your 'simple equation', as it all depends on a refusal to accept that Deism is a god - belief, not a disbelief in a god.

Thus, you are wrong, and your ongoing efforts to muddy the waters with appealing to debunked arguments and accusing finger -pointing (before trying to get in the last denialist word before runn....closing down the argument). gets you nowhere. You deserve better than these crummy Theist tricks, and do do I.

I just want to know why you won't accept this simple definition - Deism is god belief and a sub -set of theism, just as blue bricks are a subset of bricks.

And non - belief is atheism not theism, but as non - bricks do not go in the bricks drawer.

I know you are wrong old chum. I have shewn it. You are flailing around for no reason. I'm only curious to know why you feel you have to keep this charade of denial up. Why won't you accept that Deism is a kind of theism (god- belief) and not believing in any god is atheism?

[oldbadger]

I have debunked with examples and definitions your argument. Your filing system doesn't alter that, nor your 'simple equation', as it all depends on a refusal to accept that Deism is a god - belief, not a disbelief in a god.

Thus, you are wrong, and your ongoing efforts to muddy the waters with appealing to debunked arguments and accusing finger -pointing (before trying to get in the last denialist word before runn....closing down the argument). gets you nowhere. You deserve better than these crummy Theist tricks, and do do I.

I just want to know why you won't accept this simple definition - Deism is god belief and a sub -set of theism, just as blue bricks are a subset of bricks.

And non - belief is atheism not theism, but as non - bricks do not go in the bricks drawer.

I know you are wrong old chum. I have shewn it. You are flailing around for no reason. I'm only curious to know why you feel you have to keep this charade of denial up. Why won't you accept that Deism is a kind of theism (god- belief) and not believing in any god is atheism?

Please give me the exact definition for Theist.

[TRANSPONDER]

I have debunked with examples and definitions your argument. Your filing system doesn't alter that, nor your 'simple equation', as it all depends on a refusal to accept that Deism is a god - belief, not a disbelief in a god.

Thus, you are wrong, and your ongoing efforts to muddy the waters with appealing to debunked arguments and accusing finger -pointing (before trying to get in the last denialist word before runn....closing down the argument). gets you nowhere. You deserve better than these crummy Theist tricks, and do do I.

I just want to know why you won't accept this simple definition - Deism is god belief and a sub -set of theism, just as blue bricks are a subset of bricks.

And non - belief is atheism not theism, but as non - bricks do not go in the bricks drawer.

I know you are wrong old chum. I have shewn it. You are flailing around for no reason. I'm only curious to know why you feel you have to keep this charade of denial up. Why won't you accept that Deism is a kind of theism (god- belief) and not believing in any god is atheism?

Please give me the exact definition for Theist.

Anyone who believes in a god. I could be a bit more fussy and say 'anyone who creditrs the god - claim'. But that's it. And it doesn't matter whether the god intervenes or not. If yoo credit its' existence, you are a theist.

I can look up some definitions.

theist
/ˈθiːɪst/
noun
a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
"I am a hardcore theist and the person most close to me is my God"

Yes, I know, which is why we debate Biblegod here. Deists we do not argue with as we are (atheists and deists and irreligious theists) are on the same page about religion (or should be). But deists and irreligious theists are still theists.

What is a deist vs theist?
Deism holds that a god must exist, based on the evidence of reason and nature only, not on supernatural evidence. Some deists believe that a god created the world but is indifferent to it. Theism holds that there is one God who is still actively engaged with the universe in some way. Probably off Quora.
trimming the edgers, I'd say that one could also be a deist on residual Faith, too, but these are details.
Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › theist
The meaning of THEIST is a believer in theism : a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : one who believes in the existence of the human race...

Again, Specifically doesn't mean exclusively, but that is the most common belief. Because a god who exists but has nothing to do with us might as well not be there.

So, Badger old mate, how about it? If you credit the god claim even more than doubting it, you are a Theist. If you doubt the god - claim more than you credit it you are an atheist, or non - theists, I'll even take "agnostic", but you ain't a deist, which is a kind of theist.

So where do you settle? You tell, me, you know better than me.

[oldbadger]

Please give me the exact definition for Theist.

Anyone who believes in a god. .......
I can look up some definitions.

Now exactly which dictionary did you get that from?

[oldbadger]

Transponder..... Why don't you look up a real definition of 'theist'. Here's the first one offered after an IT request:-
noun
a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
........or...
denoting or relating to belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
"most atheists were raised in a theist tradition"

Can you see the word 'intervenes' in both definitions?

Yes or No?

[TRANSPONDER]

Please give me the exact definition for Theist.

Anyone who believes in a god. .......
I can look up some definitions.

Now exactly which dictionary did you get that from?

Just lifted off the internet as a sample of the common definition. If you can find definitions that say something else, go for it.

Transponder..... Why don't you look up a real definition of 'theist'. Here's the first one offered after an IT request:-
noun
a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
........or...
denoting or relating to belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
"most atheists were raised in a theist tradition"

Can you see the word 'intervenes' in both definitions?

Yes or No?

Yes. So what? I also see the word 'specifically' It does not say 'exclusively'. I also see the word 'raised in' (and "Most", but not the word 'remains') Let's not get into taking words out of context. Because everyone can see the trick and it doesn't foll anyone, and only makes you look crafty.

Like 'Atheist contains the word 'Theist' so atheists are theists'. It is a verbat trick and does not fool anyone.

Deists are also Theists. They are a different kind of Theist, not crediting an Intervening god, bit they belong in the Theist drawer. Why is it so important for you to pretend that Deists are non theists?

[oldbadger]

Please give me the exact definition for Theist.

Anyone who believes in a god. .......
I can look up some definitions.

Now exactly which dictionary did you get that from?

Just lifted off the internet as a sample of the common definition. If you can find definitions that say something else, go for it.

Please show me exactly where you got that definition.
.......... it's nothing like any exact definition of 'Theist' in any dictionary out there.

Are you trolling? I think you have been for some time now.

[TRANSPONDER]

Please give me the exact definition for Theist.

Anyone who believes in a god. .......
I can look up some definitions.

Now exactly which dictionary did you get that from?

Just lifted off the internet as a sample of the common definition. If you can find definitions that say something else, go for it.

Please show me exactly where you got that definition.
.......... it's nothing like any exact definition of 'Theist' in any dictionary out there.

Are you trolling? I think you have been for some time now.

I'm not trolling and I'm willing to get defs from Websters and the Like (they are inconvenient because of 'sign up' option pop - ups.

Why are you in denial that Deism is a kind of Theism. You have been from the start, and I'm curious why.

[oldbadger]

I'm not trolling and I'm willing to get defs from Websters and the Like (they are inconvenient because of 'sign up' option pop - ups.

Why are you in denial that Deism is a kind of Theism. You have been from the start, and I'm curious why.

So you think that you can pick and choose what you like from the definition of theism, do you?

If you cannot understand the simplicity of 'aware of' or 'involved in' our world then you get no marks.

Theism and Deism are quite different from each other, as shown to you days ago with a simple equation.

I think you might be ignoring simplicity because you're such a complex and intellectual being, maybe? But remember what Einstein wrote.