Why do people reject Christ?

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Why do people reject Christ?

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Let's hear some reasons for such behavior.

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YahDough wrote:
bernee51 wrote:
YahDough wrote: Let's hear some reasons for such behavior.
What exactly do you man by 'reject'?

Reject that he actually existed?

Reject his divinity?

Reject the he could be back went week?
Get a dictionary. I'm not here to define simple words for you.
Too bad...I have no idea what you mean then.

From a dictionary...

Reject
Verb
Dismiss as inadequate, inappropriate, or not to one's taste.

Based on this I do not reject Jesus.

So what's your problem?
"Whatever you are totally ignorant of, assert to be the explanation of everything else"

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"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."

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Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
YahDough wrote: I hope there will be (more) Christian believer responses to this question.

But I know it is hard to fully address the issue without preaching or appearing to be preaching.

Bummer

micatala is merely admonishing you for not debating YarDough, and for confusing quoting from scripture with factual argument. We all have Bibles. We know what they say. Using the Bible as proof of the Bible is circular reasoning not debate and is not allowed on the forum. This is your chance to stand up for what you believe. You might start by addressing my post to you, #29 in this string. It was a very specific explanation for the rejection of the story of Jesus. If the original post was to long for you, then here is an abridged version:

"So let's make a "rational examination" of the story as it is presented to us. Jesus was executed sometime in the years 27-30 AD, according to the time frame established by the Gospels. Herod the Great died in 4 BC, so I will let you do the math. In 1Corinthians Paul boldly and very clearly proclaims that Jesus died, was buried and then returned to life again on the third day. Now pay close attention! 1Cor. was written by Paul in the city of Ephesus to the Christian church in Corinth around 55 AD (54-57). Jesus was executed circa 27-30 AD. 1 Corinthians represents the very first EVER record of the story of the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. In other words, for a quarter of a century or so after the time when Jesus was supposed to have been executed, there is not the slightest indication that anything special or unusual occurred. Christians claim, and fully ASSUME in their minds that the resurrected Jesus was seen by hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of awestruck people. But the truth is, there is NO FACTUAL INDICATION of any such general awestruck witnessing at the time the event was supposed to have occurred, or indeed for another quarter of a century! Around 55 AD Paul writes in his first letter to the Corinthians that Jesus arose from the dead and that the arisen Jesus was seen by "above five hundred brethren" on one particular occasion. (1Cor.15:6). Paul was not HIMSELF PRESENT to witness this event however. Paul never met the living Jesus, nor was Paul present for ANY of the events detailed in the Gospels. Paul's story is the one most often presented as proof positive that Jesus really did return from the dead. After all, 500 witnesses couldn't all be wrong. But an examination of the ACTUAL facts reveals that we don't have 500 eyewitnesses at all. We have A STORY of a preposterous claim, provided by an individual WHO WAS NOT HIMSELF PRESENT. There are in fact five total sources for the story of the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, ! Corinthians and the four Gospels. The Gospels would be written anonymously years later still."

Can you make a counter argument? And if you find that you cannot, then you have your answer to why people reject Christ.
I think dyanaprajna2011 had it right:

"YahDough: people don't reject Jesus, Jesus rejects them."

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YahDough wrote:
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Nickman wrote: Unsubstantiated evidence, no supernatural events that can be verified, 2000 years of no return (even though the return was supposed to be very soon), I can refute the bible all day because I have read it 4 times and studied it on a collegiate level, and philosophically it is illogical.
That's interesting. Too bad the Holy Ghost wasn't helping you read.
1Cor:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Why would/ how could a figment of your imagination help someone read?

You will have to do what Peter says in this verse to find out, Josh.
Then you will be the "someone".

Acts:2:38: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Sounds to me you want me to do as you say. But then again it probably makes more sense that way anyway considering I've never met peter... never talked to peter... have no reason, besides a few words in a book constructed by the Church to even take him seriously. I would sooner take your word for it than his... maybe.

Yahdough - you reason from your own book, you claim it just takes faith - you say I can't understand until I believe.. said every snake oil salesman that ever was.

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YahDough wrote: I think dyanaprajna2011 had it right:

"YahDough: people don't reject Jesus, Jesus rejects them."
I have to admit, Jesus does act very much like someone who has been dead for 2,000 years. I can't really fault him for that though.

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YahDough wrote: It might seem like it to the destitute, but no.
If an abundant life is only bliss to the destitute, I can only conclude that you don't like having an abundant life. Surely you don't mean you perfer an impoverished life, so What is bliss to you?

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Bust Nak wrote:
YahDough wrote: It might seem like it to the destitute, but no.
If an abundant life is only bliss to the destitute, I can only conclude that you don't like having an abundant life. Surely you don't mean you perfer an impoverished life, so What is bliss to you?
bliss - definition of bliss by the Free Online Dictionary, ... www.thefreedictionary.com/bliss - Similarto bliss - definition of bliss by the Free Online Dictionary, ...

To go into a state of ecstasy. [Middle English blisse, from Old English bliss, from bl ths, from bl the, joyful; see blithe.] bliss ful adj. bliss ful·ly adv. bliss ful·ness n.

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YahDough wrote: bliss - definition of bliss by the Free Online Dictionary, ... www.thefreedictionary.com/bliss - Similarto bliss - definition of bliss by the Free Online Dictionary, ...

To go into a state of ecstasy. [Middle English blisse, from Old English bliss, from bl ths, from bl the, joyful; see blithe.] bliss ful adj. bliss ful·ly adv. bliss ful·ness n.
But if a life of abundance does not takes you into a state of ecstasy or brings you joy, what does? An impoverished life?

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YahDough wrote: Let's hear some reasons for such behavior.
Because ancient Greco-Judean religions are becoming less relevant. People reject Christ for the same reason they reject Thor or Zeus. WE are entering a new era and new religions are forming. The myth of Jesus has run its course.
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Bust Nak wrote:
YahDough wrote: bliss - definition of bliss by the Free Online Dictionary, ... www.thefreedictionary.com/bliss - Similarto bliss - definition of bliss by the Free Online Dictionary, ...

To go into a state of ecstasy. [Middle English blisse, from Old English bliss, from bl ths, from bl the, joyful; see blithe.] bliss ful adj. bliss ful·ly adv. bliss ful·ness n.
But if a life of abundance does not takes you into a state of ecstasy or brings you joy, what does? An impoverished life?
My point is "heaven" is not an everlasting orgasm.

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YahDough wrote:
Bust Nak wrote:
YahDough wrote: bliss - definition of bliss by the Free Online Dictionary, ... www.thefreedictionary.com/bliss - Similarto bliss - definition of bliss by the Free Online Dictionary, ...

To go into a state of ecstasy. [Middle English blisse, from Old English bliss, from bl ths, from bl the, joyful; see blithe.] bliss ful adj. bliss ful·ly adv. bliss ful·ness n.
But if a life of abundance does not takes you into a state of ecstasy or brings you joy, what does? An impoverished life?
My point is "heaven" is not an everlasting orgasm.
Too bad. At least then it would be interesting enough to want to strive for.
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