Many failed predictions of Jesus return..

[Elijah John]

Matthew 16:27-28 New International Version (NIV)

27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Fathers glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
28 Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

There have been many failed predictions of the "2nd coming of Christ". Most notably, Charles Taze Russell who predicted Jesus would return in 1914. When he didn't return, the prediction was revised to mean an "invisible return".

For debate, in light of the quoted passage from Matthew, was Jesus the first person to mistakenly predict his return?

How is Jesus prediction different from any of the others who have mistakenly predicted the time of his return?

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[Replying to post 17 by alexxcJRO]

EJ observed

And where is the judgment spoken of in verse 27? There was no judgment in the Tranfiguration.

I replied

Two different events.

In verse 28 Jesus introduces what will happen next, and that is not about his return with angels in judgment.

You wrote

Off course Jesus changed the topic mid-phrase. Smile

This way one can make a case for "Jesus was probably suffering from a psychotic disorder."

Rubbishing a reading refutes it not.

Q: Did Jesus changed the topic mid-phrase or not? (Yes/No question)

Yes, but not "mid-phrase".

As I said, "Two different events".

When i said mid-phrase i meant suddenly, rapidly.

Q: Did Jesus changed rapidly the subject, topic?(Yes/No question)

Whatever.

So wat?

Did Jesus suffer from a psychotic disorder?

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[Replying to post 17 by alexxcJRO]

EJ observed

And where is the judgment spoken of in verse 27? There was no judgment in the Tranfiguration.

I replied

Two different events.

In verse 28 Jesus introduces what will happen next, and that is not about his return with angels in judgment.

You wrote

Off course Jesus changed the topic mid-phrase. Smile

This way one can make a case for "Jesus was probably suffering from a psychotic disorder."

Rubbishing a reading refutes it not.

Q: Did Jesus changed the topic mid-phrase or not? (Yes/No question)

Yes, but not "mid-phrase".

As I said, "Two different events".

When i said mid-phrase i meant suddenly, rapidly.

Q: Did Jesus changed rapidly the subject, topic?(Yes/No question)

Whatever.

So what?

Did Jesus suffer from a psychotic disorder?

[Elijah John]

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Verse 27 and 28 are linked, in the same paragraph. Same paragraph, same topic.

But Jesus says only, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom, not some who are standing here will see the angels. I dont see why sentences before the 28 should be related to it.

[Danmark]

Verse 27 and 28 are linked, in the same paragraph. Same paragraph, same topic.

But Jesus says only, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom, not some who are standing here will see the angels. I dont see why sentences before the 28 should be related to it.

Right. Why take things in context?

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Verse 27 and 28 are linked, in the same paragraph. Same paragraph, same topic.

But Jesus says only, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom, not some who are standing here will see the angels. I dont see why sentences before the 28 should be related to it.

Right. Why take things in context?

Ah yes, context.

Context is a major key to an understanding of what the speaker or writer intended to convey.

The issue of this particular debate is where it, or they, begin/s, and where it or they end/s.

What is included and what is excluded, and why.

[Elijah John]

Verse 27 and 28 are linked, in the same paragraph. Same paragraph, same topic.

But Jesus says only, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom, not some who are standing here will see the angels. I dont see why sentences before the 28 should be related to it.

Right. Why take things in context?

Ah yes, context.

Context is a major key to an understanding of what the speaker or writer intended to convey.

The issue of this particular debate is where it, or they, begin/s, and where it or they end/s.

What is included and what is excluded, and why.

Seems likely that the speaker/writer intended to convey that Jesus expected the Apocalypse to occur in the lifetime of his apostles, perhaps to give them hope.

And this expectation would fit into the contesxt of the times, in which Apocayptic expectaton was widespread.

This expectation is also reflected in writings of Paul, "Peter", the author of Hebrews, and the author of the book of Revelation, presumably John of Patmos.

And Apocalyptic expectation would also explain some of the more hard sayings of Jesus, such as the imperative to "leave everything" for his sake and the sake of the Gospel's.

And Paul's admonition for the single to remain single.

After all, no need for a spouse if the end was nigh, right?

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[Replying to post 47 by Elijah John]

I posted

Ah yes, context.

Context is a major key to an understanding of what the speaker or writer intended to convey.

The issue of this particular debate is where it, or they, begin/s, and where it or they end/s.

What is included and what is excluded, and why.

You observed

Seems likely that the speaker/writer intended to convey that Jesus expected the Apocalypse to occur in the lifetime of his apostles, perhaps to give them hope.

And this expectation would fit into the contesxt of the times, in which Apocayptic expectaton was widespread.

Jesus was a maverick who did not meet popular and given expectations.

As to his coming, he often encouraged readiness, not because the time was known or could be determined, but because it wasn't and wouldn't be.

Matthew 24:

42 Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.

43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

[alexxcJRO]

Whatever.

So wat?

Did Jesus suffer from a psychotic disorder?

Again:
This way one can make a case for "Jesus was probably suffering from a psychotic disorder."

Symptom1: Disorganized speech or thinking(rapidly switching topics, called derailment or loose association; switching to topics that are unrelated, called tangental thinking : cheek.

Symptom2: Grandiose delusions (delusions that a person has a special power or importance; grossly exaggerated beliefs of self-worth, power[7], knowledge, identity, exceptional relationship to a divinity or famous person): cheek.

Symptom3: Jesus had visual, auditory hallucinations (ex: He saw and heard the voice of Satan) : cheek.

Psychosis is an abnormal condition of the mind that results in difficulties telling what is real and what is not. Symptoms may include false beliefs and seeing or hearing things that others do not see or hear.[4] Other symptoms may include incoherent speech and behavior that is inappropriate for the situation
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Psychosis may involve delusional beliefs..The most common type of delusion are persecutory delusions, where a person believes that an individual, organization or group is attempting to harm them. Other delusions include delusions of reference (beliefs that a particular stimulus has a special meaning that is directed at the holder of belief), grandiose delusions (delusions that a person has a special power or importance), thought broadcasting (the belief that ones thoughts are audible) and thought insertion (the belief that ones thoughts are not their own).
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Disorganization is split into disorganized speech or thinking, and grossly disorganized motor behavior. Disorganized speech, also called formal thought disorder, is disorganization of thinking that is inferred from speech. Characteristics of disorganized speech include rapidly switching topics, called derailment or loose association; switching to topics that are unrelated, called tangental thinking; incomprehensible speech, called word salad or incoherence. Disorganized motor behavior includes repetitive, odd, or sometimes purposeless movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions

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[Replying to post 49 by alexxcJRO]

Again:
This way one can make a case for "Jesus was probably suffering from a psychotic disorder."

Case dismissed.

See post 18.