Is it reasonable to deduce God from order in Nature?

[marco]

Is it reasonable to look at a lamb and deduce that God set the production of sheep in motion through his wonderful love. Blake wondered why the God who made the lamb also made the tiger to kill it.

When we see the operation of flowers, the human eye, the spider's web... some of us conclude there is a God who fashioned them. How else did they come about?

Thus God is the product of our ignorance. We do not know - ergo God.

Is this a reasonable position to hold?

Should we expect more definite signs of our maker?

And if we accept that some Intelligence made everything, how do we reconcile this Intelligence with the Titan of the Old Testament, hung up on sex, sin and sacrifice?

[ttruscott]

The Christian answer is ; something is wrong with people. The humans were driven out of the garden where dwelled the rest of creation. Only humans would commit genocide . And again it was the people of Sodom not nature brought the judgement of God on themselves .

Why did God's "judgement" against wickedness stop thousands of years ago?

Why do you think that judgements quit thousands of years ago when we have incredible disasters of nature and of evil humanity today?? Why is Sodom more important than Mao's great sparrow starvation of millions?

Sodom and Noah's Ark suggest a bad builder.

Only to one who is already convinced of a bad builder. To Christians they connote HIS justice.

Why kick the toys for the toymaker's mistakes?

Humans are not an expression of HIS creativeness but rather express how a perfect creation can go so absolutely wrong when given a free will. We were NOT made evil, but chose to be evil by our free will. Your conclusion fails to live up to Christian doctrine so it is moot.

That our evil forces HIM to judge anyone that did not ask to come under HIS promise of salvation rather than judgement is a necessity to keep HIS heavenly Family / Church safe from evil.

[ttruscott]

It should be added that the term 'God' is ambiguous: the god of the deists? the Jews? the Christians? Islam? a god beyond good and evil?

Personally, the idea of a deistic god seems the most rational. Yet you describe yourself as a Christian. Can you explain how Christianity is the more rational conclusion compared to deism?

Deism: a belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe.

I find it unlikely that GOD would create such a huge reality then walk away from HIS creation. This misses the Fatherly idea of GOD in the Bible so much it makes deism a non-Biblical possibility and thus a product of a sinful mind, by my definitions. Then, once one experiences meeting GOD or HIS Spirit in one's life, deism is obviously a Satanic ploy to keep those who are searching for belief from seeking YHWH...

That is why it is suggested to seek GOD, not your own understanding...

[Justin108]

I find it unlikely that GOD would create such a huge reality then walk away from HIS creation.

Unlikely? Or undesirable? You're assuming that just because you wouldn't walk away from creation that God wouldn't. There is no reason to assume that God would think the way humans do. Your dismissal of deism is based solely on the assumption that God would operate the way humans do.

This misses the Fatherly idea of GOD in the Bible so much it makes deism a non-Biblical possibility and thus a product of a sinful mind, by my definitions.

"Deism disagrees with my religion and is therefore automatically wrong". Seriously, Ted. You can do better than this. Did you actually think this was a good argument?

Then, once one experiences meeting GOD or HIS Spirit in one's life, deism is obviously a Satanic ploy to keep those who are searching for belief from seeking YHWH...

Your claim to have met God is entirely unsupported and therefore easily dismissed

That is why it is suggested to seek GOD, not your own understanding...

Isn't your insistence that God would not walk away from his creation your own understanding?

[Wootah]

It should be added that the term 'God' is ambiguous: the god of the deists? the Jews? the Christians? Islam? a god beyond good and evil?

Personally, the idea of a deistic god seems the most rational. Yet you describe yourself as a Christian. Can you explain how Christianity is the more rational conclusion compared to deism?

Deism: a belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe.

I find it unlikely that GOD would create such a huge reality then walk away from HIS creation. This misses the Fatherly idea of GOD in the Bible so much it makes deism a non-Biblical possibility and thus a product of a sinful mind, by my definitions. Then, once one experiences meeting GOD or HIS Spirit in one's life, deism is obviously a Satanic ploy to keep those who are searching for belief from seeking YHWH...

That is why it is suggested to seek GOD, not your own understanding...

Moderator Comment

Please review the Rules.

It's best not to call things Satanic. You made a reasonable point that deism is distinct from the bible and created trouble for yourself by accusing other thoughts as Satanic.


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