Is Gay Marriage Considered a Sin?

[POI]

For debate:

Is same sex marriage a sin?
If so, where does the Bible say this?
Further, why is it a sin?

[Darwin's Hammer]

Yet God sanctioned all these forms of marriage

Chapter and verse ?

there are dozens, be more specific

He provided laws for polygamy ...

There are laws regulating smoking; that does not equate to government approval ; as I explained ...

doubtful considering tobacco is a new world plant

The bible documents human behaviour, most of which God has merely tolerated or in some cases, regulated not approved and certainly not instigated.

He harshly punished those avoiding the duties of Levirate marriage.

See above

punishing those who refuse their duties in a levirate marriage doesn't sound like mere toleration but an active interest in those men completing their moral duties.

He gave men concubines as a blessing.

Chapter and verse?

2 Samuel 7-8

[POI]

So Moses would have apprehended the will of God then expressed it in his own language as Moses cannot express it any other way.

Since no one can go back in time, and ask this 'Moses' character what he really meant, we now get the joy of exchanging with apologists. Many of which studied hermeneutics, and many of which still conflict with one another But I, again, digress....

I did not say it would be sin, but that God doesn't approve because there is no such thing as gay marriage. They are pretending to be married. The Church doesn't recognize them as married.

Hmmm... It's not a sin, but God doesn't approve?

Oh, and WHICH "church" exactly? Did God rubber-stamp His approval upon one specific branch/denomination/other?

Further, is it still pretending when it is recognized by the state, and they remain faithful to one another?

We do not read or understand the bible like children. I think you read my posts about this topic and how humans evolved then God gave a small set of them souls, then took two of them and placed them in a garden, etc. Have you ever read Aesop's Fables https://read.gov/aesop/001.html Do you read them as they are intended to teach us lessons, or do you read them like a child and think the frog literally exploded, in the Frogs and the Ox?

None of this addresses my repeated inquiry. If humans were already around, why did God have to 'create' Eve? And yet, there is no mention of God having to 'create' a wife for Cain. Thus, the apologist could easily argue that the Bible merely only mentioned the two male offspring of Adam.

[POI]

The reason it is prohibited is because the bible (which we accept as our guide), only acknowledges marriage if it is between a man and a woman. We see no reason to participate in any movements for social change that would organise to "oppose" those that choose to to view the matter differently.

Does the Bible say WHY marriage is only to be between and man and a woman?

The bible lists 8 different forms of marriage, only one of which involves one man and one woman.

I do thank you for your response. For now, let's go with his rationale --- and not bring light to what you have also given.

I asked "JW" a very specific question. He has chosen not to answer. This is usually what he does, when he starts to get backed into a corner.

[POI]

For debate:
Is same sex marriage a sin?

It is not a sin based on a technicality, that is, it would not be viewed as a valid marriage. To the biblical writers, it would be like asking if a human and non-human animal can be married.

If so, where does the Bible say this?

God's plan on marriage can be gathered from Matthew 19:4-6.

Further, why is it a sin?

It is not so much that it is a sin, but rather it's that it doesn't meet the definition and/or function of a marriage - i.e. to procreate, marital roles (husband being in charge), etc.

Yes. I would then follow up ,by asking the theist..... WHY is a marriage only 'valid', if it is between a man and a woman? I mean, how about when the woman is smarter than the man, and/or possesses much more discipline in finances/other/other? What if they have no plans to procreate, or cannot procreate?

The argument then goes quickly south..... Since the Bible offers no caveats, per se, the Bible leaves one scratching their heads....

[JehovahsWitness]

He gave men concubines as a blessing.

Chapter and verse?

2 Samuel 7-8

Second Samuel chapter 7 verse 8?

2 SAMUEL 7:8 *

Now say this to my servant David, This is what Jehovah of armies says: "I took you from the pastures, from following the flock, to become a leader over my people Israel

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* Chapters and verses are usually seperated by a colon(:)

Yet God sanctioned all these forms of marriage

Chapter and verse ?

there are dozens, be more specific

I am specifically asking for you to cite (book name chapter and verses) where God sanctioned 7 different forms of marriage. ie I am asking you to support your claim with specific biblical references (correctly presented* so I can verify them)

[POI]

I am specifically asking for you to cite (book name chapter and verses) where God sanctioned 7 different forms of marriage. ie I am asking you to support your claim with specific biblical references (correctly presented* so I can verify them)

And then what?

[JoeyKnothead]

Is gay marriage considered a sin?

Considering nobody can show they know a god's thoughts on the matter, we're lost as a cow at a square dance to find the answer.

These theists who wanna preach are just that - preachers. They can no more show they speak for god than you can.

That said, I'd marry me an ugly feller if I thought it'd get under the skin of such a prudish god. Or, more to the truth, the prudish theist.

Thankfully though, pretty thing says I can't marry me nobody but her, and she don't wanna.

[JoeyKnothead]

...
I am specifically asking for you to cite (book name chapter and verses) where God sanctioned 7 different forms of marriage. ie I am asking you to support your claim with specific biblical references (correctly presented* so I can verify them)

So I'll specifically ask you to show where a god has sanctioned anything.

[AquinasForGod]

[Replying to POI in post #62]

Hmmm... It's not a sin, but God doesn't approve?

Why ought something to be sin if God doesn't accept it? It is no more sin than when little girls pretend like they get married or they marry their Barbies.

Oh, and WHICH "church" exactly? Did God rubber-stamp His approval upon one specific branch/denomination/other?

Yes, Catholicism. You can read my thread on what religion would be from God.

Further, is it still pretending when it is recognized by the state, and they remain faithful to one another?

Yes. God doesn't recognize gay marriage by the state or anyone.

None of this addresses my repeated inquiry. If humans were already around, why did God have to 'create' Eve? And yet, there is no mention of God having to 'create' a wife for Cain. Thus, the apologist could easily argue that the Bible merely only mentioned the two male offspring of Adam.

I am going to quote myself again. I think you read my posts about this topic and how humans evolved then God gave a small set of them souls, then took two of them and placed them in a garden, etc.

[POI]

Please note, I think post #64 would keep us on track.... This exchange is starting to go off the rails a bit. But I do understand why... In my experience, when an exchange continues, and many responses are vetted out, this tends to happen. Thus, I will continue answering below, but patiently await for an update to post #64.

Why ought something to be sin if God doesn't accept it?

So two males getting married, who abstain from sexual relations, is not a sin?

Yes, Catholicism. You can read my thread on what religion would be from God.

Hmm. Has Catholicism been awarded the one true religion by God, or is this instead self-professed or pope-professed maybe? Are all other sects delusional (despite many studying herneneutics), and/or stupid, and/or knowingly practicing incorrectly, other? Remember, I started off as a Catholic, and later became a Protestant. I guess my delusion just increased, as I studied more (i.e.) Catholic -> Protestant -> skeptic

Yes. God doesn't recognize gay marriage by the state or anyone.

This brings us to post #64.

I am going to quote myself again. I think you read my posts about this topic and how humans evolved then God gave a small set of them souls, then took two of them and placed them in a garden, etc.

Kool, and around we go...

"None of this addresses my repeated inquiry. If humans were already around, why did God have to 'create' Eve? And yet, there is no mention of God having to 'create' a wife for Cain. Thus, the apologist could easily argue that the Bible merely only mentioned the two male offspring of Adam."