Many atheists are so for valid and defendable reasons. Why would a punishing deity choose not to make himself known to reasonable people who do not believe he exists?
A decent god would know how to convince decent people to believe and care for him as he cared for those decent people.
What sort of god doesn't care to convince sensible people that he exists?
Why won't God convince atheists?
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Post #671
How y'all doin'. Tryin' to lay claim to Post 666, that is all.
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You believe someone loves you but you have no proof they do - all they can do to try to prove love is all done by other folk for other reasons so it proves nothing...yet you believe. Your belief is a faith based decision the same as ours to have faith in HIM, a hope it is true though not proven inarguably.JoeyKnothead wrote: From Post 663:
Agreed. It ain't sensible to declare one knows the mind of a god they can't even show exists.ttruscott wrote: Being sensible has nothing to do with this topic...
You cannot confirm that any more than you can confirm the true depth of love of your loved ones for you. You maybe able to confirm for yourself what is GOD's will for you if you seek HIM but that is not guaranteed either.Such are the claims.ttruscott wrote: A sinful elect who decides atheism implies truth as he sees it will be brought back to the real truth of faith in Christ when the time comes. And a non-believer who is doing miracles in His Name will be sent away cursed when the time is ripe.
Can you so such will indeed be the case? How can we confirm you, ttruscott, know the mind of God?
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
Post #673
[Replying to post 667 by ttruscott]
From Post 663:
People who love me prove it to me all the time.
MORE NONSENSE !
We KNOW when people love us, people EXIST and they can TALK and DO NICE THINGS. For this fallacious argument to work, ttruscott would have us believe that everyone is an invisible psychopath. We don't have ANY evidence that he or any other apologist from no matter WHAT religion knows anything WHATSOEVER about any god they happen to believe in.
From Post 663:
ttruscott wrote: Being sensible has nothing to do with this topic...
JoeyKnothead wrote:Agreed. It ain't sensible to declare one knows the mind of a god they can't even show exists.
NONSENSE !ttruscott wrote:You believe someone loves you but you have no proof they do -
People who love me prove it to me all the time.
JoeyKnothead wrote:How can we confirm you, ttruscott, know the mind of God?
ttruscott wrote:You cannot confirm that any more than you can confirm the true depth of love of your loved ones for you.
MORE NONSENSE !
We KNOW when people love us, people EXIST and they can TALK and DO NICE THINGS. For this fallacious argument to work, ttruscott would have us believe that everyone is an invisible psychopath. We don't have ANY evidence that he or any other apologist from no matter WHAT religion knows anything WHATSOEVER about any god they happen to believe in.
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Re: Why won't God convince atheists?
Post #674God seems to overwhelmingly prefer preaching to the choir. Which I am sure is much more satisfying, but far less productive then making an attempt to contact and bring in those who are outside of the fold. Since I am myself outside of the fold, I can only conclude that God plays favorites and cares little for many of His children.Hatuey wrote: Many atheists are so for valid and defendable reasons. Why would a punishing deity choose not to make himself known to reasonable people who do not believe he exists?
A decent god would know how to convince decent people to believe and care for him as he cared for those decent people.
What sort of god doesn't care to convince sensible people that he exists?
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From Post 667:
What I can't tell is theist claims that a god they can't show exists has feels about anything.
Your God, not so much.
Such that we're on the cusp of confirmin' your inability to do it.
I can tell that pretty thing loves me every time she fixes groceries, washes my clothes, or gets nekkid and lays down with me. Heck, just that gettin' nekkid part's enough to convince me, if she never cooks nor does laundry ever again!ttruscott wrote: You believe someone loves you but you have no proof they do - all they can do to try to prove love is all done by other folk for other reasons so it proves nothing...yet you believe.
What I can't tell is theist claims that a god they can't show exists has feels about anything.
I have sound reason to believe the pretty thing exists, and that by the examples above, she either loves me, or is only after me 'cause I have in excess of fifteen dollars and a half in the bank. Either way, I get to see her nekkid, and that's close enough to love for me.ttruscott wrote: Your belief is a faith based decision the same as ours to have faith in HIM, a hope it is true though not proven inarguably.
Your God, not so much.
What I can't confirm, is your ability to show you speak truth.ttruscott wrote: A sinful elect who decides atheism implies truth as he sees it will be brought back to the real truth of faith in Christ when the time comes. And a non-believer who is doing miracles in His Name will be sent away cursed when the time is ripe.You cannot confirm that any more than you can confirm the true depth of love of your loved ones for you. You maybe able to confirm for yourself what is GOD's will for you if you seek HIM but that is not guaranteed either.JoeyKnothead wrote: Such are the claims.
Can you so such will indeed be the case? How can we confirm you, ttruscott, know the mind of God?
Such that we're on the cusp of confirmin' your inability to do it.
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