Born from above!

[Bobcat]

Jesus says you must be born from above.

Scripture says he who is born from above is from heaven.

Since man does not really know where heaven is how can he know who comes from heaven or who is from above?

John 3:3
Jesus answered him, "Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above."

John 3:7
7 Do not be astonished that I said to you, "You must be born from above”.


John 3:31
31 The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is of the earth belongs to the earth and speaks about earthly things. The one who comes from heaven is above all.

So, are you born from above? Are you from heaven?

[Clownboat]

“My sheep hear my voice I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal life and they will never perish.”

Sheep are a prey species, and their only defense is to flee. Sheep display an intensely gregarious social instinct that allows them to bond closely to other sheep and preferentially to related flock members.
This Us vs Them is cult behavior meant to unite the members.

Do you think we are surprised as to why your religious leaders would encourage you to be a sheep? We know why... it is you that doesn't seem to understand why your leaders want you to be like sheep.
In reality, it's like celebrating or being proud for being ignorant. It's good to acknowledge faults, as that allows correction, but I cannot get behind the celebration or embracing of faults.

If you believe a god gave you a brain, don't you think it would want you to use it? Perhaps you should stop being a sheep? Woops, I almost forgot, you have an eternal life faith belief tied to your being a sheep. Someday, I hope you will be set free from your beliefs.

[Clownboat]

“Seek and you shall find, ask and you’ll receive, knock and the door will open for whoever seeks finds, whoever asks receives, whoever knocks enters.”

The ever growing number of formerly devout Christians who ditched their faith because they never received is testament to the lie in that statement.

“Enter by the narrow gate for the road is easy and the gate is wide that leads to destruction but the road is hard and the gate is narrow that leads to life and few there are who find it.”

Those who ditch their faith never found the narrow gate. Christianity is teaching the wrong way.

This was not true for me. Therefore I question your honesty.

In reality, being a Christian is easy. It provides all the answers to questions many humans trouble over.
Why are we here? What happen when I die? Will I ever see loved ones again? What is my purpose?

So, you can take the lazy route and pick a religion to place your faith in, or you can do the work and come up with your own answers. I know, I know... many people are uncomfortable with 'I don't know'. For those kinds of people, we have religions to choose from. You have made it clear as to where you fall.

[Clownboat]

God’s ways are not man’s ways. Why He does it this way I don’t understand. I do know how to find Him because I’ve done it. I stumbled upon it as I searched scripture years ago.

The LORD says this;

“Your ways are not my ways nor are your thoughts my thoughts. As high as the heavens are above the earth that’s how high my ways are above your ways and my thoughts above your thoughts.”

You've done nothing but present unconfirmable (and unsupported) claims.

You have nothing but your preaching by which we may consider your reliability as a teller of truth. It doesn't bode well that all you can do is quote bible claims in support of Bible claims.

Follow my lead and you will see. That is the proof.

“If you continue in my word you’re truly my disciple then you’ll know the truth and the truth will set you free.”

Don't get the idea that we don't understand, we do. We know how compelling it is that the conviction comes through Faith that God is speaking to them and the truth is to be found my matching personal opinions to Bibletext. But you have to understand that many of us have been there and grew out of it. Saying that we should do what you are doing or have done is not going to convince any of us who know that people in other religions are as convinced of their god as you are of yours.

The Op is about being born from above,so of course the thread discusses it, but the Forum is about debate, and the place the debate gets to is that swearing that we only have to do as you urge us to find God is simply a waste of effort because all reason says otherwise.

This isn’t just for you or those who debate against Christianity. It is for all who read this and don’t debate as well. Mostly it is for me, to keep me in the light.

Only Jesus has done what I’ve done. No one else. This isn’t something that is short lived. I’ve been convinced that this is the way for over twenty five years. Only God could have taught me this cause I wouldn’t have made up something so difficult. I was a so called born again Christian until reading certain verses got me thinking about what Jesus really said.

“As for me says the LORD; This is the covenant I have made with them, My spirit which is upon you and my words which I have put into your mouth shall never leave your mouth nor the mouths of your children nor the mouths of your children’s children from now on and forever.”

Well,you go right on believing that and good luck. But others who believe different dogmas and even religions may say the same. So, just for the record, give me one good reason why I should believe what you claim here? Again, you can believe it and even post the claim here. But it means nothing and makes no case. Really, it doesn't. Not even when you can attach a bit of Bibletext.

What if a person (generic) was a complete narcissist? Wouldn't they think that they gave a good reason and therefore should be believed even though they haven't and shouldn't?

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #73]

Of course. We post what we post and claim what we claim, with greater or lesser reason to be confident in it. People have to decide for themselves.

[Bobcat]

“Seek and you shall find, ask and you’ll receive, knock and the door will open for whoever seeks finds, whoever asks receives, whoever knocks enters.”

The ever growing number of formerly devout Christians who ditched their faith because they never received is testament to the lie in that statement.

“Enter by the narrow gate for the road is easy and the gate is wide that leads to destruction but the road is hard and the gate is narrow that leads to life and few there are who find it.”

Those who ditch their faith never found the narrow gate. Christianity is teaching the wrong way.

This was not true for me. Therefore I question your honesty.

In reality, being a Christian is easy. It provides all the answers to questions many humans trouble over.
Why are we here? What happen when I die? Will I ever see loved ones again? What is my purpose?

So, you can take the lazy route and pick a religion to place your faith in, or you can do the work and come up with your own answers. I know, I know... many people are uncomfortable with 'I don't know'. For those kinds of people, we have religions to choose from. You have made it clear as to where you fall.

I’m not Christian. You can’t find God on the wide road. It doesn’t lead to heaven. Religions take the wide road.

I took the narrow road. Most haven’t even found it. By your response I see you are among the most.

[brunumb]

You can’t find God on the wide road. It doesn’t lead to heaven. Religions take the wide road.

I took the narrow road. Most haven’t even found it.

What does that even mean? It doesn't even qualify as word salad. To me it is nothing more than gibberish designed to make one party seem so much more informed and important when there is absolutely no evidence of that even being slightly true. It would appear that you can find turnips on the narrow road.

[otseng]

By your response I see you are among the most.

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[TRANSPONDER]

You can’t find God on the wide road. It doesn’t lead to heaven. Religions take the wide road.

I took the narrow road. Most haven’t even found it.

What does that even mean? It doesn't even qualify as word salad. To me it is nothing more than gibberish designed to make one party seem so much more informed and important when there is absolutely no evidence of that even being slightly true. It would appear that you can find turnips on the narrow road.

It suggests to me yet another person who thinks they are one of the Few that are really Understanding the Bible, scripture and Jesus. It is not that uncommon that organized churches have been rejected. I have come across it many times. I may be guilty of it myself. But I think it would be interesting to hear Mr Bubbacat tell us exactly what this Narrow Path to heaven entails and how he became one of the few who found the Narrow(and true) road. I might guess Born from above which being interpreted, means' Revelation. It was claimed on my previous board. True knowledge was beamed into the head of the true Christians by God. Because they were the one of the few who had Interpreted the Bible right.

Close, Mr Bobcat? Cigar?

[Bobcat]

You can’t find God on the wide road. It doesn’t lead to heaven. Religions take the wide road.

I took the narrow road. Most haven’t even found it.

What does that even mean? It doesn't even qualify as word salad. To me it is nothing more than gibberish designed to make one party seem so much more informed and important when there is absolutely no evidence of that even being slightly true. It would appear that you can find turnips on the narrow road.

It suggests to me yet another person who thinks they are one of the Few that are really Understanding the Bible, scripture and Jesus. It is not that uncommon that organized churches have been rejected. I have come across it many times. I may be guilty of it myself. But I think it would be interesting to hear Mr Bubbacat tell us exactly what this Narrow Path to heaven entails and how he became one of the few who found the Narrow(and true) road. I might guess Born from above which being interpreted, means' Revelation. It was claimed on my previous board. True knowledge was beamed into the head of the true Christians by God. Because they were the one of the few who had Interpreted the Bible right.

Close, Mr Bobcat? Cigar?

God tells us in scripture how to find Him and His kingdom. It is a revelation to everyone who finds Him on that narrow road.

Get into scripture and find Him.

“Call upon me and I will answer you. I will tell you great things beyond the reach of your knowledge”, saith the LORD.

[TRANSPONDER]

You can’t find God on the wide road. It doesn’t lead to heaven. Religions take the wide road.

I took the narrow road. Most haven’t even found it.

What does that even mean? It doesn't even qualify as word salad. To me it is nothing more than gibberish designed to make one party seem so much more informed and important when there is absolutely no evidence of that even being slightly true. It would appear that you can find turnips on the narrow road.

It suggests to me yet another person who thinks they are one of the Few that are really Understanding the Bible, scripture and Jesus. It is not that uncommon that organized churches have been rejected. I have come across it many times. I may be guilty of it myself. But I think it would be interesting to hear Mr Bubbacat tell us exactly what this Narrow Path to heaven entails and how he became one of the few who found the Narrow(and true) road. I might guess Born from above which being interpreted, means' Revelation. It was claimed on my previous board. True knowledge was beamed into the head of the true Christians by God. Because they were the one of the few who had Interpreted the Bible right.

Close, Mr Bobcat? Cigar?

God tells us in scripture how to find Him and His kingdom. It is a revelation to everyone who finds Him on that narrow road.

Get into scripture and find Him.

“Call upon me and I will answer you. I will tell you great things beyond the reach of your knowledge”, saith the LORD.

There's the problem. Why have you got it right and the others (Christians, apparently ) have got it wrong.