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Why do people reject Christ?

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Let's hear some reasons for such behavior.

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Re: Why do people reject Christ?

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YahDough wrote:
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Danmark wrote:
Putting the preaching to one side for a moment, ........
While I try to obey the rules, I always consider preaching an option, even if it gets me kicked off the forum. Sometimes it seems necessary and even convenient when a notable question is presented. I think the rules allow for that. :)

2Tm:4:2: Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
... let's suppose some evil 'sinner' back about 2000 years ago snuck something false into the Gospel. Something that was not from God. How would you be able to tell?

An infidel could call it a lucky guess. :)
What is from God and what is from man, let alone 'sinners?'

Everything is from God.

Col:1:16: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Incidenty I did answer those questions in my last post to you. Pay attention. :)
You haven't answered anything. You just quoted your favorite book. That may be satisfying to you, but your verses answer nothing. They are not authority.

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Re: Why do people reject Christ?

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kayky wrote: Have you ever heard of progressive Christianity?
Is it like responsible bulimia to lose weight?

Should we embrace "progressive" Christianity because it's somewhat less toxic than fundamental Christianity. How bout we do away with the wishful thinking altogether and face reality? I know it will be hard for some people but in the end it'll be much better for everyone.
Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith. - Christopher Hitchens

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Re: Why do people reject Christ?

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YahDough wrote:
Sound doctrine is the rhema (word) of God. Dogma is man's attempt to explain it and the message often gets distorted and even lost. The Holy Ghost makes clear the scripture. That's why it's necessary to have the Holy Ghost, a "fundamental" aspect of Christianity.

Jn:14:26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
What you don't understand is that we along with the rest of creation are the rhema, the word of God. This is not something that can be captured with human language in a book. Any attempts to do so is filtered through human understanding and always fall short. Therefore, it is impossible to possess "sound doctrine." It is always dogma.

The "Holy Ghost" is not something that comes and goes. It is in all things at all times. The difference among different people is only the level of awareness. But if you approach this awareness with preconceived notions (such as the Bible is the word of God) communication will be muddled, if not entirely blocked.
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Peter wrote:
Is it like responsible bulimia to lose weight?

Should we embrace "progressive" Christianity because it's somewhat less toxic than fundamental Christianity. How bout we do away with the wishful thinking altogether and face reality? I know it will be hard for some people but in the end it'll be much better for everyone.
I think you should only embrace what speaks to you. Don't you think it is arrogant on your part to suggest that you have a handle on "reality" while others are just engaging in "wishful thinking"? And can you be sure that you even understand what it is you are criticizing?

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kayky wrote:
YahDough wrote:
Sound doctrine is the rhema (word) of God. Dogma is man's attempt to explain it and the message often gets distorted and even lost. The Holy Ghost makes clear the scripture. That's why it's necessary to have the Holy Ghost, a "fundamental" aspect of Christianity.

Jn:14:26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
What you don't understand is that we along with the rest of creation are the rhema, the word of God. This is not something that can be captured with human language in a book. Any attempts to do so is filtered through human understanding and always fall short. Therefore, it is impossible to possess "sound doctrine." It is always dogma.

The "Holy Ghost" is not something that comes and goes. It is in all things at all times. The difference among different people is only the level of awareness. But if you approach this awareness with preconceived notions (such as the Bible is the word of God) communication will be muddled, if not entirely blocked.
Do you even read the Bible?

"We are the rhema"!!?? Give me a break.

It sounds like you read everything but the Bible. :(

2Tm:4:3: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

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YahDough wrote:
kayky wrote:
YahDough wrote:
Sound doctrine is the rhema (word) of God. Dogma is man's attempt to explain it and the message often gets distorted and even lost. The Holy Ghost makes clear the scripture. That's why it's necessary to have the Holy Ghost, a "fundamental" aspect of Christianity.

Jn:14:26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
What you don't understand is that we along with the rest of creation are the rhema, the word of God. This is not something that can be captured with human language in a book. Any attempts to do so is filtered through human understanding and always fall short. Therefore, it is impossible to possess "sound doctrine." It is always dogma.

The "Holy Ghost" is not something that comes and goes. It is in all things at all times. The difference among different people is only the level of awareness. But if you approach this awareness with preconceived notions (such as the Bible is the word of God) communication will be muddled, if not entirely blocked.
Do you even read the Bible?

"We are the rhema"!!?? Give me a break.

It sounds like you read everything but the Bible. :(

2Tm:4:3: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Is this how you represent Christianity: Judging who is and is not a Christian? Deciding who has and has not read the Bible based on whether they agree with YOUR interpretation? Accusing others who disagree with you of giving in to their 'own lusts;' and having 'itching ears?'

You seem willing to bring disgrace to your faith in order to defend it. Perhaps you should consider looking at the bigger picture. As it is you confirm much that is unlovely about the faith.

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Danmark wrote:
YahDough wrote:
kayky wrote:
YahDough wrote:
Sound doctrine is the rhema (word) of God. Dogma is man's attempt to explain it and the message often gets distorted and even lost. The Holy Ghost makes clear the scripture. That's why it's necessary to have the Holy Ghost, a "fundamental" aspect of Christianity.

Jn:14:26: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
What you don't understand is that we along with the rest of creation are the rhema, the word of God. This is not something that can be captured with human language in a book. Any attempts to do so is filtered through human understanding and always fall short. Therefore, it is impossible to possess "sound doctrine." It is always dogma.

The "Holy Ghost" is not something that comes and goes. It is in all things at all times. The difference among different people is only the level of awareness. But if you approach this awareness with preconceived notions (such as the Bible is the word of God) communication will be muddled, if not entirely blocked.
Do you even read the Bible?

"We are the rhema"!!?? Give me a break.

It sounds like you read everything but the Bible. :(

2Tm:4:3: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Is this how you represent Christianity: Judging who is and is not a Christian? Deciding who has and has not read the Bible based on whether they agree with YOUR interpretation? Accusing others who disagree with you of giving in to their 'own lusts;' and having 'itching ears?'

You seem willing to bring disgrace to your faith in order to defend it. Perhaps you should consider looking at the bigger picture. As it is you confirm much that is unlovely about the faith.
Hey, I know. You have to repent to be saved. It's no fun.

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YahDough wrote:

Do you even read the Bible?
I have read it many times and spent a great deal of time studying it.
"We are the rhema"!!?? Give me a break.

It sounds like you read everything but the Bible. :(
Is this your opposing argument? Pretty lame.
2Tm:4:3: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Once again you quote from a second century fake, falsely attributed to Paul. Why do you keep doing that? Are the authentic epistles of Paul too challenging for you?

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Yar:
Hey, I know. You have to repent to be saved. It's no fun.
This is a flippant and presumptuous response to a valid criticism of your position. It is childish and presumes that anyone who challenges you must be doing so because they prefer a life of "sin." I can assure you that the aim of my life is to live according to the law of love that Jesus taught. I have no problem "repenting" of wrong-doing.
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kayky wrote:


Yar:
Hey, I know. You have to repent to be saved. It's no fun.
This is a flippant and presumptuous response to a valid criticism of your position. It is childish, and presumes that anyone who challenges you must be doing so because they prefer a life of "sin." I can assure you that the aim of my life is to live according to the law of love that Jesus taught. I have no problem "repenting" of wrong-doing.
Good. My remark was for DanMark. I think Infidels like to pit Christians against Christians. I want unity in Christ for all believers. :)

Eph:4:13: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
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