I perceive a certain amount of subtle Jew-baiting going on here, but perhaps that's just me.
I tend to agree with Goat: "credit" is hardly the issue.
Not a bad sentiment I guess.
Even so, it is true that my people have done much good in the world -- in the sciences, in law, in literary and artistic pursuits, in government, in medicine, and in many other fields, far out of proportion to our numbers.
Yes. John the Baptist, Jesus, Peter and the crew and Paul all Jews . . . set the world on the greatest path in history.
Well, there you are. Is the implication that only Jews who became Christians ought to be considered?
I was thinking more along the lines of (at random) Boris Pasternak, Saul Bellow, Albert Einstein, Neils Bohr, Jonas Salk, Henry Kissinger, Milton Friedman, Abe Fortas, and on down to cultural figures like Leonard Bernstein, Marilyn Monroe, and Jack Benny. I didn't have in mind only the Jews who participated in the founding of Christianity.
been influential Jews who have lived since New Testament times, you know.
That may be because we have been free to focus on the task at hand, and to see truths clearly in ANY field, since we are not bound or blinkered by religious dogmas nor distracted by the need to compel, or even convince, others to share our beliefs and values.
Yet Torah-observant "Jews" make a very big show of that. Daily, weekly and yearly in fact. A BIG show of it.
A big show of what? How, exactly, would one make "a big show" of NOT holding to religious dogma, or NOT trying to proselytize or force others to follow our own beliefs?
Not that I'm complaining. Keeping the faith in the face of a degenerate world is quite the accomplishment.
Still not clear on what you're saying. Keeping our faith to ourselves, and not ramming it down others' throats, doesn't seem like something you'd admire... And I'm still not clear on how one "makes a big show" of that.
As to not receiving "credit" -- I suspect that that has much to do with the consistent teachings of the dominant religious authorities in the West, for nineteen hundred of the last two thousand years, that Jews are to be despised as deicides, ritual murderers, and greedy conspirators out to exploit and dominate the rest of society.
So true. European pagan influences have really screwed up a sizeable chunk of the religious world. Especially as they are mixed with Judean-Messianic worship of Jesus.
First, I don't think the "pagans" put "Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children"
into the Gospel of Matthew (27:25). Since every Christian denomination and sect for more than a thousand years formally taught that "Jews are to be despised as deicides, ritual murderers, and greedy conspirators out to exploit and dominate the rest of society," I don't know that you can blame antisemitism on "European pagan influences." Pope Innocent III, St. John Chrysostom, and Martin Luther were hardly pagans. Even Muslims were more accepting and tolerant of Jews in the Middle Ages, far more so than Christians.
Second, Jews never conceived of worshiping the Messiah. That is a Christian invention, and was never a part of Judaism. Ever. Therefore "Judeo-Messianic worship of Jesus" is a non sequitur.
We Jews have a special term for "Messianic Jews," you know. We call then "Christians."
Such teachings are still promulgated in the dark corners of hatred that remain in the West, and openly in government-sponsored and -funded news and entertainment media, as well as in public teaching and preaching from current religious authorities, in the Muslim world.
And always will be it seems.
Like I said, you can still find plenty of that among Christians as well. It's not hard. Just Google "hate Jews."
Thank G-d, that Israeli's can count on Conservative Evangelicals (Christians) to always support them.
Yes, we are grateful for the support of American Christians. One wonders if it will last when they realize that very few Jews have any interest in rebuilding the Temple, and even fewer in converting to Christianity.