Why do you not accept Islam?

[DanieltheDragon]

What reasons do any here have to reject Islam?

Is Islam the most accurate representation of god?

[1213]

What reasons do any here have to reject Islam?

Is Islam the most accurate representation of god?

Muslims basically worship a stone in the desert. I wouldnt keep any stone as my God, because I dont think it is reasonable.

[benchwarmer]

What reasons do any here have to reject Islam?

Is Islam the most accurate representation of god?

Muslims basically worship a stone in the desert. I wouldnt keep any stone as my God, because I dont think it is reasonable.

Umm, what? Isn't that like saying Christians basically worship a statue glued to two crossed sticks? Just because you face a certain way or treat a location as special doesn't mean you are worshiping the item in question.

It sounds like you have no actual reason for not being a Muslim other than some odd misconception.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by DanieltheDragon]

I don't accept Islam for several reasons.

# Islam claims to be a continuation or a progression from both Christianity and the religion of the ancient Jews. If that were the case this should be confirmed by both the witnesses given in the Hebrew and the Christian bibles without contradiction. I don't see this.

#Islam claims to worship the God of Abraham, Moses and of Jesus yet not once does the name of that God YHWH (Jehovah) appear or was recorded as being mentioned in the Quran.

#Islam claims to be a religion of peace, yet its history and its present day failure to to change the hearts and and conduct of its member from tribal, ethnic or religious violence to the peace of God does not testify to this.

#I personally find Islam simplistic, ritualistic and being very familiar with its internal workings oppressive and entirely unappealing.


Personal opinion,

JW

[2Dbunk]

[Replying to post 1 by DanieltheDragon]

What reasons do any here have to reject Islam?

Is Islam the most accurate representation of god?

Islam is all those things that JW listed, but the fact remains that it is the fastest growing mainstream religion on our planet. Even if 85% to 95% of its adherents are pastoral, peace-loving souls, the remainder, at the very least 100 million Muslims, are to some degree militant fundamentalists.

The answer to the OP by westerners is quite simple: The religion is crackers, spread through superstition and ignorance. "Their God is not God at all" most of us would say. We reject Islam because we know it's a sham perpetrated on a fourth century clientele.

But before the curtain is pulled to hide Islam's faults, don't hesitate to think if there are vestiges of its inanity among Western religions. Yeah, our religions are modern and not nearly ascetic -- but could they become so in the right climate, say, without the protection of the wall separating state and religion from each other? Answer truthfully now -- fundamentalists need not apply!

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[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 1 by DanieltheDragon]

I don't accept Islam for several reasons.

# Islam claims to be a continuation or a progression from both Christianity and the religion of the ancient Jews. If that were the case this should be confirmed by both the witnesses given in the Hebrew and the Christian bibles without contradiction. I don't see this.

How could witnesses confirm something that hasn't happened at that point? This seems like a rather shallow objection.

#Islam claims to worship the God of Abraham, Moses and of Jesus yet not once does the name of that God YHWH (Jehovah) appear or was recorded as being mentioned in the Quran.

YHWH is not mentioned in New testament manuscripts. He is simply referred to with titles. Allah is YHWH in a different language...

#Islam claims to be a religion of peace, yet its history and its present day failure to to change the hearts and and conduct of its member from tribal, ethnic or religious violence to the peace of God does not testify to this.

Christianity makes many claims it's followers do not adhere to does this render Christianity false?

#I personally find Islam simplistic, ritualistic and being very familiar with its internal workings oppressive and entirely unappealing.

This I can agree with but would also apply to Christianity. [/quote]

[Realworldjack]

What reasons do any here have to reject Islam?

Is Islam the most accurate representation of god?

I would not say that I necessarily, reject Islam. However, when we begin to look at the historical evidence involved, there is no comparison between Christianity, and Islam. In other words, I am a Christian because of the compelling historical evidence that supports it, and when we compare this evidence to the evidence that supports Islam, there is no comparison.

If you believe there is a comparison, then please supply the historical evidence in support of Islam, that would equal that of Christianity?

[JP Cusick]

What reasons do any here have to reject Islam?

Is Islam the most accurate representation of god?

I certainly do not reject Islam.

And the Holy Qur'an gives huge insights into the working of God and for humanity.

The name Allah is really the Aramaic for Elohim, and since we know that Jesus spoke some Aramaic then Jesus would have said Allah for that word.

Jesus used the name "Father" for Yahweh.

And Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and the fastest in the USA too, and that is because Islam offers very decisive instruction and discipline for its adherents.

Plus Islam embraces both Judaism and Christianity so the Muslims have never been the true source between the 3 Abrahamic religions.

I can not claim to be a true Muslim because I am foremost a Christian, and I am way too unorthodox even for the Muslims to accept me into their ranks.

Christianity and Judaism are sister religions to Islam.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by DanieltheDragon]

I don't accept Islam for several reasons.

# Islam claims to be a continuation or a progression from both Christianity and the religion of the ancient Jews. If that were the case this should be confirmed by both the witnesses given in the Hebrew and the Christian bibles without contradiction. I don't see this.

How could witnesses confirm something that hasn't happened at that point? This seems like a rather shallow objection.

Far from being shallow it is the key to making a wise decision.

If the True God (as Islam does admit) revealed his purpose first to the Jews, their system and writings should indicate that which is to come. Without this it would be impossible to verify what direction God next expected of mankind to take. The nature of progressive revelation stands on that which preceeded it. So the God of Abraham revealed his purpose for a nation (through Abraham), the head of that nation is given a Davidic promise for a Kingdom and a future Messiah. That promised Messiah reveals his will for a nation of believers based on his ultimate sacrifice in order to fulfill the Abrahamic promises.

If Islam has a place in this it would fit in to the overall purpose AND be announced (as was the Messiah) by that which came before. It would also serve to progress towards the ultimate goal as presented in the Hebrew bible. Any claims to be a progression and culmination of the above that is in contradiction with what came before would thus by definition be bogus and could, based on that which came before be provably so.

Islam, by claiming not to be a seperate new religion but a progression effectively dug its own grave and wrote the headstone.

JW

[JehovahsWitness]

#Islam claims to worship the God of Abraham, Moses and of Jesus yet not once does the name of that God YHWH (Jehovah) appear or was recorded as being mentioned in the Quran.

YHWH is not mentioned in New testament manuscripts. He is simply referred to with titles. Allah is YHWH in a different language...

What you have said here is entirely inaccurate.

# YHWH is indeed mentioned several times in its shorterned form in Revelation 19in the exclamaton "Hallelujah!" which in the original language means "Praise JAH" (YHWH)

"hallelujah" means more than simply "praise Jah" or "praise Yah", as the word hallel in Hebrew means a joyous praise in song, to boast in God. Hallel could also refer to someone who acts madly or foolishly. The second part, Yah, is a shortened form of YHWH, the name for the Creator.
Hallelujah - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallelujah

# Further there is sufficient documented evidence to support the view that the original NT (Christian Greek) writings did in fact contain the Divine name (YHWH/Jehovah) hundreds of times but that it was removed in later copies. For further on this please see my earlier post on this topic (link below)
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 272#822272


# Allah is Arabic for the generic 'god' and has no relation to the Divine Name YHWH.


JW