"The Bible Tells Me So"

[William]

We know that the bible shows us that Jesus never wrote anything which is in the Bible. Other people wrote down [alleged] that which Jesus is reported as having said.
We also know that the bible tells us that what is alleged that Jesus said is but a tiny fraction of what Jesus actually taught. The Bible contains very little [in comparison] in relation to words Jesus allegedly used to teach with.
We know that the bible tells us that what Jesus taught which the Bible did not record, were the mysteries hidden from The World regarding the Nature of his Fathers Kingdom.
We do not know that Jesus never wrote anything, but we do know that there is nothing in the world which is claimed to have come from his pen. He may have written down those many more other things the bible does not record, or perhaps scribes were with him and wrote those things down... but we know that if that were the case, those writings have not been shown to The World. They may exist, but are kept hidden.

IF those things not recorded, are hidden from us, how can we know about them? Does being a "Christian" have anything to do with those unknown things Jesus taught of? Is being a "Christian" something else entirely?

I think it must do, based upon the evidence we have.

I think that Christians are somewhat confused as to their place in the scheme of things as they cannot help but KNOW that what is in the Bible is second hand news - not directly from the pen of Christ, so they are not really 'following Jesus' by 'keeping his word' because they do not know WHAT it was that Jesus SPOKE about those things of mystery [his Father Kingdom] that the Bible author wrote Jesus actually taught to people in secrets. They are "keeping the word of others" who :said so" in writing.

I just asked Google:

"How much of the New Testament scriptures were written by the Apostle Paul? "

Based on the word counts of the 1769 edition of KJV from Bible stats, here's how it works out: Paul wrote 50190/179011 or 28% of the NT.

I also just asked Goggle:

"How many words did Christ speak in the bible" [I left out the word "Allegedly]

The Synoptic Gospel , once you exclude the duplications of Jesus' speeches in the four gospels, the total number of words spoken by Jesus is 31,426."]

Therefore it can be correctly ascertained that Christians are generally "Keeping the word of Paul" in relation to how many words Paul wrote in his teachings, compared to how many teachings are recorded as having come from Jesus.

Also Christians believe that The Bible is "The Word of God" when the Bible itself claims that Jesus is "The Word of God". so their appears to be a possible reason therein as to why Christians appear so confused.

Can we detect in Paul's writing any of these multitude "Secrets" Jesus is said to have taught in private, regarding his Fathers Kingdom, and if so, how are we able to ascertain that Paul was writing the same things as Jesus had taught, if we have no actual record of what Jesus taught?

And - with that, why would The Father want others to write on behalf of Jesus and have us trust that those others would teach the same things that Jesus taught?

Christians only KNOW about what Jesus is reported to have said, which is obviously so very little, as that Bible author suggests.

[Miles]

Interesting. Looking up a few stats and doing some simple arithmetic, I found the following:

If Jesus spoke 31,426 words (excluding duplicated speeches), and in the New Testament there are on average 629 words per page (181,253 NT words divided by 288 NT pages source)

The words of Jesus would fill 50 (49.96) pages, which is only 17% of the New Testament (50 divided by 288 total NT pages)


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[bjs1]

Interesting. Looking up a few stats and doing some simple arithmetic, I found the following:

If Jesus spoke 31,426 words (excluding duplicated speeches), and in the New Testament there are on average 629 words per page (181,253 NT words divided by 288 NT pages source)

The words of Jesus would fill 50 (49.96) pages, which is only 17% of the New Testament (50 divided by 288 total NT pages)


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If you are taking the total number of words in the NT, then removing the duplicated words of Jesus falsely skews your numbers.

[Tcg]

Interesting. Looking up a few stats and doing some simple arithmetic, I found the following:

If Jesus spoke 31,426 words (excluding duplicated speeches), and in the New Testament there are on average 629 words per page (181,253 NT words divided by 288 NT pages source)

The words of Jesus would fill 50 (49.96) pages, which is only 17% of the New Testament (50 divided by 288 total NT pages)


.

If you are taking the total number of words in the NT, then removing the duplicated words of Jesus falsely skews your numbers.

I don't think that is the case. If for example the NT only recorded one instance of Jesus saying anything and that statement was, "God is Love", but repeated the story 500 times, that wouldn't be 1,500 words of Jesus. It would be three words of Jesus repeated 500 times.


Tcg

[Miles]

Interesting. Looking up a few stats and doing some simple arithmetic, I found the following:

If Jesus spoke 31,426 words (excluding duplicated speeches), and in the New Testament there are on average 629 words per page (181,253 NT words divided by 288 NT pages source)

The words of Jesus would fill 50 (49.96) pages, which is only 17% of the New Testament (50 divided by 288 total NT pages)


.

If you are taking the total number of words in the NT, then removing the duplicated words of Jesus falsely skews your numbers.

Strangely enough, after a search for the total number of words Jesus spoke I came up dry, although I did come across a few references to the 31,426, but without any mention of excluded duplicates. If the total amount does surface, and is higher, I doubt it will be a significantly different from the 17%.


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[William]

Interesting. Looking up a few stats and doing some simple arithmetic, I found the following:

If Jesus spoke 31,426 words (excluding duplicated speeches), and in the New Testament there are on average 629 words per page (181,253 NT words divided by 288 NT pages source)

The words of Jesus would fill 50 (49.96) pages, which is only 17% of the New Testament (50 divided by 288 total NT pages)


.

If you are taking the total number of words in the NT, then removing the duplicated words of Jesus falsely skews your numbers.

I don't think that is the case. If for example the NT only recorded one instance of Jesus saying anything and that statement was, "God is Love", but repeated the story 500 times, that wouldn't be 1,500 words of Jesus. It would be three words of Jesus repeated 500 times.


Tcg

Yes - it is a bit of hair-splitting really - I mean how many times is Jesus said to have used the words "My Father"? Should that be counted every time?

But it doesn't matter because the point was there are more words in the Bible authored by other teaches, than there are in the alleged teachings of Jesus.

[nobspeople]

We know that the bible shows us that Jesus never wrote anything which is in the Bible. Other people wrote down [alleged] that which Jesus is reported as having said.
We also know that the bible tells us that what is alleged that Jesus said is but a tiny fraction of what Jesus actually taught. The Bible contains very little [in comparison] in relation to words Jesus allegedly used to teach with.
We know that the bible tells us that what Jesus taught which the Bible did not record, were the mysteries hidden from The World regarding the Nature of his Fathers Kingdom.
We do not know that Jesus never wrote anything, but we do know that there is nothing in the world which is claimed to have come from his pen. He may have written down those many more other things the bible does not record, or perhaps scribes were with him and wrote those things down... but we know that if that were the case, those writings have not been shown to The World. They may exist, but are kept hidden.

IF those things not recorded, are hidden from us, how can we know about them? Does being a "Christian" have anything to do with those unknown things Jesus taught of? Is being a "Christian" something else entirely?

I think it must do, based upon the evidence we have.

I think that Christians are somewhat confused as to their place in the scheme of things as they cannot help but KNOW that what is in the Bible is second hand news - not directly from the pen of Christ, so they are not really 'following Jesus' by 'keeping his word' because they do not know WHAT it was that Jesus SPOKE about those things of mystery [his Father Kingdom] that the Bible author wrote Jesus actually taught to people in secrets. They are "keeping the word of others" who :said so" in writing.

I just asked Google:

"How much of the New Testament scriptures were written by the Apostle Paul? "

Based on the word counts of the 1769 edition of KJV from Bible stats, here's how it works out: Paul wrote 50190/179011 or 28% of the NT.

I also just asked Goggle:

"How many words did Christ speak in the bible" [I left out the word "Allegedly]

The Synoptic Gospel , once you exclude the duplications of Jesus' speeches in the four gospels, the total number of words spoken by Jesus is 31,426."]

Therefore it can be correctly ascertained that Christians are generally "Keeping the word of Paul" in relation to how many words Paul wrote in his teachings, compared to how many teachings are recorded as having come from Jesus.

Also Christians believe that The Bible is "The Word of God" when the Bible itself claims that Jesus is "The Word of God". so their appears to be a possible reason therein as to why Christians appear so confused.

Can we detect in Paul's writing any of these multitude "Secrets" Jesus is said to have taught in private, regarding his Fathers Kingdom, and if so, how are we able to ascertain that Paul was writing the same things as Jesus had taught, if we have no actual record of what Jesus taught?

And - with that, why would The Father want others to write on behalf of Jesus and have us trust that those others would teach the same things that Jesus taught?

Christians only KNOW about what Jesus is reported to have said, which is obviously so very little, as that Bible author suggests.

Seems Christians have to trust in the authors, the editors and translators of the bible, that have happened over the years, most of them they don't know personally (if at all), that the bible is real and trustworthy.
But how do they know to do this?
The bible.
So...the bible is telling people to trust the bible. The bible is saying it's the word of God, as it were.
And people just willingly trust in it.
They call that faith. But they don't know what to have faith in until the bible tells them. It's circular reasoning. and truly fascinating that people, being so needy, will trust something they had zero investment in, with abandonment.
I guess their neediness supersedes logic and common sense.

[William]

We know that the bible shows us that Jesus never wrote anything which is in the Bible. Other people wrote down [alleged] that which Jesus is reported as having said.
We also know that the bible tells us that what is alleged that Jesus said is but a tiny fraction of what Jesus actually taught. The Bible contains very little [in comparison] in relation to words Jesus allegedly used to teach with.
We know that the bible tells us that what Jesus taught which the Bible did not record, were the mysteries hidden from The World regarding the Nature of his Fathers Kingdom.
We do not know that Jesus never wrote anything, but we do know that there is nothing in the world which is claimed to have come from his pen. He may have written down those many more other things the bible does not record, or perhaps scribes were with him and wrote those things down... but we know that if that were the case, those writings have not been shown to The World. They may exist, but are kept hidden.

IF those things not recorded, are hidden from us, how can we know about them? Does being a "Christian" have anything to do with those unknown things Jesus taught of? Is being a "Christian" something else entirely?

I think it must do, based upon the evidence we have.

I think that Christians are somewhat confused as to their place in the scheme of things as they cannot help but KNOW that what is in the Bible is second hand news - not directly from the pen of Christ, so they are not really 'following Jesus' by 'keeping his word' because they do not know WHAT it was that Jesus SPOKE about those things of mystery [his Father Kingdom] that the Bible author wrote Jesus actually taught to people in secrets. They are "keeping the word of others" who :said so" in writing.

I just asked Google:

"How much of the New Testament scriptures were written by the Apostle Paul? "

Based on the word counts of the 1769 edition of KJV from Bible stats, here's how it works out: Paul wrote 50190/179011 or 28% of the NT.

I also just asked Goggle:

"How many words did Christ speak in the bible" [I left out the word "Allegedly]

The Synoptic Gospel , once you exclude the duplications of Jesus' speeches in the four gospels, the total number of words spoken by Jesus is 31,426."]

Therefore it can be correctly ascertained that Christians are generally "Keeping the word of Paul" in relation to how many words Paul wrote in his teachings, compared to how many teachings are recorded as having come from Jesus.

Also Christians believe that The Bible is "The Word of God" when the Bible itself claims that Jesus is "The Word of God". so their appears to be a possible reason therein as to why Christians appear so confused.

Can we detect in Paul's writing any of these multitude "Secrets" Jesus is said to have taught in private, regarding his Fathers Kingdom, and if so, how are we able to ascertain that Paul was writing the same things as Jesus had taught, if we have no actual record of what Jesus taught?

And - with that, why would The Father want others to write on behalf of Jesus and have us trust that those others would teach the same things that Jesus taught?

Christians only KNOW about what Jesus is reported to have said, which is obviously so very little, as that Bible author suggests.

Seems Christians have to trust in the authors, the editors and translators of the bible, that have happened over the years, most of them they don't know personally (if at all), that the bible is real and trustworthy.
But how do they know to do this?
The bible.
So...the bible is telling people to trust the bible. The bible is saying it's the word of God, as it were.
And people just willingly trust in it.
They call that faith. But they don't know what to have faith in until the bible tells them. It's circular reasoning. and truly fascinating that people, being so needy, will trust something they had zero investment in, with abandonment.
I guess their neediness supersedes logic and common sense.

What occurred is that visible entity calling itself "The Church" compiled the Bible and interpreted to the believers [in The Church authority] that "The Bible is The Word Of God/Jesus" because it is [claimed] to be "inspired by God".

However, The Church neglected to remove all trace in the Bible where it refers to Jesus as being "The Word Of God". [NOT "The Bible"]...so therein is the confusion for Christians who think that being rightfully able to refer to oneself as a "Christian", [ one also has to believe that "The Bible is The Word Of God" and of course, the visible entity which compiled the Bible, then gets the listening ear of the Christian Church.

Cunning...

[William]

We know that the bible shows us that Jesus never wrote anything which is in the Bible. Other people wrote down [alleged] that which Jesus is reported as having said.
We also know that the bible tells us that what is alleged that Jesus said is but a tiny fraction of what Jesus actually taught. The Bible contains very little [in comparison] in relation to words Jesus allegedly used to teach with.
We know that the bible tells us that what Jesus taught which the Bible did not record, were the mysteries hidden from The World regarding the Nature of his Fathers Kingdom.
We do not know that Jesus never wrote anything, but we do know that there is nothing in the world which is claimed to have come from his pen. He may have written down those many more other things the bible does not record, or perhaps scribes were with him and wrote those things down... but we know that if that were the case, those writings have not been shown to The World. They may exist, but are kept hidden.

IF those things not recorded, are hidden from us, how can we know about them? Does being a "Christian" have anything to do with those unknown things Jesus taught of? Is being a "Christian" something else entirely?

I think it must do, based upon the evidence we have.

I think that Christians are somewhat confused as to their place in the scheme of things as they cannot help but KNOW that what is in the Bible is second hand news - not directly from the pen of Christ, so they are not really 'following Jesus' by 'keeping his word' because they do not know WHAT it was that Jesus SPOKE about those things of mystery [his Father Kingdom] that the Bible author wrote Jesus actually taught to people in secrets. They are "keeping the word of others" who :said so" in writing.

I just asked Google:

"How much of the New Testament scriptures were written by the Apostle Paul? "

Based on the word counts of the 1769 edition of KJV from Bible stats, here's how it works out: Paul wrote 50190/179011 or 28% of the NT.

I also just asked Goggle:

"How many words did Christ speak in the bible" [I left out the word "Allegedly]

The Synoptic Gospel , once you exclude the duplications of Jesus' speeches in the four gospels, the total number of words spoken by Jesus is 31,426."]

Therefore it can be correctly ascertained that Christians are generally "Keeping the word of Paul" in relation to how many words Paul wrote in his teachings, compared to how many teachings are recorded as having come from Jesus.

Also Christians believe that The Bible is "The Word of God" when the Bible itself claims that Jesus is "The Word of God". so their appears to be a possible reason therein as to why Christians appear so confused.

Can we detect in Paul's writing any of these multitude "Secrets" Jesus is said to have taught in private, regarding his Fathers Kingdom, and if so, how are we able to ascertain that Paul was writing the same things as Jesus had taught, if we have no actual record of what Jesus taught?

And - with that, why would The Father want others to write on behalf of Jesus and have us trust that those others would teach the same things that Jesus taught?

Christians only KNOW about what Jesus is reported to have said, which is obviously so very little, as that Bible author suggests.

Seems Christians have to trust in the authors, the editors and translators of the bible, that have happened over the years, most of them they don't know personally (if at all), that the bible is real and trustworthy.
But how do they know to do this?
The bible.
So...the bible is telling people to trust the bible. The bible is saying it's the word of God, as it were.
And people just willingly trust in it.
They call that faith. But they don't know what to have faith in until the bible tells them. It's circular reasoning. and truly fascinating that people, being so needy, will trust something they had zero investment in, with abandonment.
I guess their neediness supersedes logic and common sense.

What occurred is that visible entity calling itself "The Church" compiled the Bible and interpreted to the believers [in The Church authority] that "The Bible is The Word Of God/Jesus" because it is [claimed] to be "inspired by God".

However, The Church neglected to remove all trace in the Bible where it refers to Jesus as being "The Word Of God". [NOT "The Bible"]...so therein is the confusion for Christians who think that being rightfully able to refer to oneself as a "Christian", one also has to believe that "The Bible is The Word Of God" [see the Why Do You Call Yourself A "Christian"? thread for evidence re that] and of course, the visible entity which compiled the Bible, [The Church] then gets the listening ear of the Christians as consequence.

Cunning...

[Tcg]

Interesting. Looking up a few stats and doing some simple arithmetic, I found the following:

If Jesus spoke 31,426 words (excluding duplicated speeches), and in the New Testament there are on average 629 words per page (181,253 NT words divided by 288 NT pages source)

The words of Jesus would fill 50 (49.96) pages, which is only 17% of the New Testament (50 divided by 288 total NT pages)


.

If you are taking the total number of words in the NT, then removing the duplicated words of Jesus falsely skews your numbers.

I don't think that is the case. If for example the NT only recorded one instance of Jesus saying anything and that statement was, "God is Love", but repeated the story 500 times, that wouldn't be 1,500 words of Jesus. It would be three words of Jesus repeated 500 times.


Tcg

Yes - it is a bit of hair-splitting really - I mean how many times is Jesus said to have used the words "My Father"? Should that be counted every time?

But it doesn't matter because the point was there are more words in the Bible authored by other teaches, than there are in the alleged teachings of Jesus.

I agree. There is also a drastic difference in the tone of the Sermon on the Mount and the books attributed to Paul for instance. Of course there is also a drastic difference in the tone of the Sermon on the Mount and the parable of the Wheat and Tares. The alleged words of Jesus don't mesh very well at times. When we discuss the teachings of Jesus I sometimes think we might need to start by explaining which Jesus we are referring to. When we then begin to include the teachings by Paul and others, it can get real messy.


Tcg