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The Pine Barrens tree frog is well known in southern New Jersey and a few southeastern states.
This frog is tiny at about 1 - 1 1/2 inches long. If there were a global flood that killed all land animals except the few that were in Noah's ark, an ark that came aground in what is now called Turkey, how did this tiny frog find it's way to southern New Jersey?
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The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.
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Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.
Post #51A quick review of this thread's description of what qualifies as evidence reveals that if that is all you can provide, it wouldn't add much value.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:11 pm
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Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.
Post #52Fine, I will take that as a "no" you do not wish me to post what I believe on the question. I have enjoyed the topic learning about these little fellows. Have a most excellent day,Tcg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:04 pmA quick review of this thread's description of what qualifies as evidence reveals that if that is all you can provide, it wouldn't add much value.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:11 pm
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Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.
Post #53Yes, they're fascinating little critters and create quite the dilemma for those who consider the flood a literal event. Perhaps they "froggy paddled" across the 3,000 or so mile wide Atlantic.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:41 am
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Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.
Post #54From the face of the earth, yes, and as we can see, earth means dry land:Miles wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:39 pm ...Secondly, where does the Bible "tells that the flood killed all that were on top of dry land," implying "no water animals" were killed? Chapter and verse please. But before you go to the trouble of trying to find one I have a chapter and verse for you. Chapter 7 verse 4 in Genesis where god himself says:
"4 Seven days from now I will make it rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and every living thing I have made I will wipe off the face of the earth.”...
God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters he called Seas. God saw that it was good.
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Post #55That we can see the animals in Australia is evidence for it. Or, how do you think animals got in all continents? Were they there right from the beginning? Did the magical goddess Evolution (also known as "Mother earth") send them on planes to there?Tcg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:11 pmCan you provide any evidence that would support such a possibility.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:02 amIt is possible that there was land route to Australia, after the flood.Tcg wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:35 pmHow would these frogs have gotten from Mt. Ararat to Australia?1213 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:17 pm
I think the more specific area need is the result of later adjustment and it may be that they could survive also in different areas, if absolutely necessary. Hylidae frogs can be found almost everywhere. One possibility could be also that they traveled with people from Australia to America.
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Post #56So, you claim Wikipedia has wrong information?brunumb wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:42 amFrogs are not 'water animals' like fish. They can survive a few hours under water by holding their breath.
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Post #57No, that isn't.1213 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:38 amThat we can see the animals in Australia is evidence for it.Tcg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:11 pmCan you provide any evidence that would support such a possibility.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:02 amIt is possible that there was land route to Australia, after the flood.Tcg wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:35 pmHow would these frogs have gotten from Mt. Ararat to Australia?1213 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:17 pm
I think the more specific area need is the result of later adjustment and it may be that they could survive also in different areas, if absolutely necessary. Hylidae frogs can be found almost everywhere. One possibility could be also that they traveled with people from Australia to America.
Why do you continue to resort to a Straw Man fallacy rather than present verifiable evidence to support your claims?Or, how do you think animals got in all continents? Were they there right from the beginning? Did the magical goddess Evolution (also known as "Mother earth") send them on planes to there?
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Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.
Post #58When there's nothing to support one's claim(s), things like ST fallacy is all that's left.Tcg wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:41 amNo, that isn't.1213 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:38 amThat we can see the animals in Australia is evidence for it.Tcg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:11 pmCan you provide any evidence that would support such a possibility.1213 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:02 amIt is possible that there was land route to Australia, after the flood.Tcg wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:35 pmHow would these frogs have gotten from Mt. Ararat to Australia?1213 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:17 pm
I think the more specific area need is the result of later adjustment and it may be that they could survive also in different areas, if absolutely necessary. Hylidae frogs can be found almost everywhere. One possibility could be also that they traveled with people from Australia to America.
Why do you continue to resort to a Straw Man fallacy rather than present verifiable evidence to support your claims?Or, how do you think animals got in all continents? Were they there right from the beginning? Did the magical goddess Evolution (also known as "Mother earth") send them on planes to there?
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Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.
Post #59Good grief! Even the King James Phrase Book recognizes it as an idiom in Genesis and not to be taken literally as you insist on doing.1213 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:38 amFrom the face of the earth, yes, and as we can see, earth means dry land:Miles wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:39 pm ...Secondly, where does the Bible "tells that the flood killed all that were on top of dry land," implying "no water animals" were killed? Chapter and verse please. But before you go to the trouble of trying to find one I have a chapter and verse for you. Chapter 7 verse 4 in Genesis where god himself says:
"4 Seven days from now I will make it rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and every living thing I have made I will wipe off the face of the earth.”...
God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters he called Seas. God saw that it was good.
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Re: The Pine Barrens Tree Frog and the Flood.
Post #60Are you able to refute what I said or not? Frogs do not live under water. They do not live in the sea. They live on land. Please explain how they would survive a flooded earth for many months when it was God's intention to kill off everything except those on the ark.1213 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:39 amSo, you claim Wikipedia has wrong information?brunumb wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:42 amFrogs are not 'water animals' like fish. They can survive a few hours under water by holding their breath.
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