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The promise of eternal life.

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Most, if not all, religions include a promise of eternal life. Of course, in most cases the promise includes a requirement to follow what that specific religion or branch of said religion requires to attain eternal life.

Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?

If not, why do so many accept the promise of eternal life?


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Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:36 am ,

Most, if not all, religions include a promise of eternal life. Of course, in most cases the promise includes a requirement to follow what that specific religion or branch of said religion requires to attain eternal life.

Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?

If not, why do so many accept the promise of eternal life?


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I've always found it interesting on how people of various beliefs, that have 'seen the other side', often see the other side as their POV describes.
Besides that, I think there are those that have 'experiences' that many could (and do) attribute to the afterlife. Rather or not it is remains - and will always remain - to be seen.
As energy can't be created nor destroyed, as we're all energy of some type, it stands to reason that, at least on the energy level, we will 'live forever'. Rather or not this correlates to people being able to 'consciously experience living forever' is unknown.
As far as 'the promise', it stands to reason, to me, anything that contemplates eternity would create an after life to appease their lack of understanding of said 'eternity'.
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nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:43 am
As energy can't be created nor destroyed, as we're all energy of some type, it stands to reason that, at least on the energy level, we will 'live forever'. Rather or not this correlates to people being able to 'consciously experience living forever' is unknown.
Well sure something of us will exist after our death. This doesn't mean the promise many religions make about a conscious eternal life are true. Heck, when I cut my toenails, they end up somewhere, but I can't use them to think or feel or anything else.


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Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:53 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:43 am
As energy can't be created nor destroyed, as we're all energy of some type, it stands to reason that, at least on the energy level, we will 'live forever'. Rather or not this correlates to people being able to 'consciously experience living forever' is unknown.
Well sure something of us will exist after our death. This doesn't mean the promise many religions make about a conscious eternal life are true. Heck, when I cut my toenails, they end up somewhere, but I can't use them to think or feel or anything else.


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It doesn't mean it's true, you're right. But it doesn't mean it's not true, either. What it does mean, in some fashion, is this concept allows the belief of an afterlife to continue and sometimes grow (at least in modern times).
Maybe 'the afterlife' isn't what many religions think it is, while still existing?
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nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:59 am
Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:53 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:43 am
As energy can't be created nor destroyed, as we're all energy of some type, it stands to reason that, at least on the energy level, we will 'live forever'. Rather or not this correlates to people being able to 'consciously experience living forever' is unknown.
Well sure something of us will exist after our death. This doesn't mean the promise many religions make about a conscious eternal life are true. Heck, when I cut my toenails, they end up somewhere, but I can't use them to think or feel or anything else.


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It doesn't mean it's true, you're right. But it doesn't mean it's not true, either. What it does mean, in some fashion, is this concept allows the belief of an afterlife to continue and sometimes grow (at least in modern times).
Maybe 'the afterlife' isn't what many religions think it is, while still existing?
I didn't ask if it was true or not, I asked, "Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"


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Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:02 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:59 am
Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:53 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:43 am
As energy can't be created nor destroyed, as we're all energy of some type, it stands to reason that, at least on the energy level, we will 'live forever'. Rather or not this correlates to people being able to 'consciously experience living forever' is unknown.
Well sure something of us will exist after our death. This doesn't mean the promise many religions make about a conscious eternal life are true. Heck, when I cut my toenails, they end up somewhere, but I can't use them to think or feel or anything else.


Tcg
It doesn't mean it's true, you're right. But it doesn't mean it's not true, either. What it does mean, in some fashion, is this concept allows the belief of an afterlife to continue and sometimes grow (at least in modern times).
Maybe 'the afterlife' isn't what many religions think it is, while still existing?
I didn't ask if it was true or not, I asked, "Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"


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And as I said, evidence exists in the experiences of others. Rather or not they can be trusted in another matter.
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nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:05 am
Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:02 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:59 am
Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:53 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:43 am
As energy can't be created nor destroyed, as we're all energy of some type, it stands to reason that, at least on the energy level, we will 'live forever'. Rather or not this correlates to people being able to 'consciously experience living forever' is unknown.
Well sure something of us will exist after our death. This doesn't mean the promise many religions make about a conscious eternal life are true. Heck, when I cut my toenails, they end up somewhere, but I can't use them to think or feel or anything else.


Tcg
It doesn't mean it's true, you're right. But it doesn't mean it's not true, either. What it does mean, in some fashion, is this concept allows the belief of an afterlife to continue and sometimes grow (at least in modern times).
Maybe 'the afterlife' isn't what many religions think it is, while still existing?
I didn't ask if it was true or not, I asked, "Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"


Tcg
And as I said, evidence exists in the experiences of others. Rather or not they can be trusted in another matter.
I didn't ask about "experiences of others", I asked about verifiable evidence.


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Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:07 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:05 am
Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:02 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:59 am
Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:53 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:43 am
As energy can't be created nor destroyed, as we're all energy of some type, it stands to reason that, at least on the energy level, we will 'live forever'. Rather or not this correlates to people being able to 'consciously experience living forever' is unknown.
Well sure something of us will exist after our death. This doesn't mean the promise many religions make about a conscious eternal life are true. Heck, when I cut my toenails, they end up somewhere, but I can't use them to think or feel or anything else.


Tcg
It doesn't mean it's true, you're right. But it doesn't mean it's not true, either. What it does mean, in some fashion, is this concept allows the belief of an afterlife to continue and sometimes grow (at least in modern times).
Maybe 'the afterlife' isn't what many religions think it is, while still existing?
I didn't ask if it was true or not, I asked, "Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"


Tcg
And as I said, evidence exists in the experiences of others. Rather or not they can be trusted in another matter.
I didn't ask about "experiences of others", I asked about verifiable evidence.


Tcg
You asked about verifiable evidence. The only evidence I've seen are the experiences of others. If you choose not to accept those as verifiable evidence, that's your call, of course.
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nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:12 am
Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:07 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:05 am
Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:02 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:59 am
Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:53 am
nobspeople wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:43 am
As energy can't be created nor destroyed, as we're all energy of some type, it stands to reason that, at least on the energy level, we will 'live forever'. Rather or not this correlates to people being able to 'consciously experience living forever' is unknown.
Well sure something of us will exist after our death. This doesn't mean the promise many religions make about a conscious eternal life are true. Heck, when I cut my toenails, they end up somewhere, but I can't use them to think or feel or anything else.


Tcg
It doesn't mean it's true, you're right. But it doesn't mean it's not true, either. What it does mean, in some fashion, is this concept allows the belief of an afterlife to continue and sometimes grow (at least in modern times).
Maybe 'the afterlife' isn't what many religions think it is, while still existing?
I didn't ask if it was true or not, I asked, "Can the promise of eternal life be supported with verifiable evidence?"


Tcg
And as I said, evidence exists in the experiences of others. Rather or not they can be trusted in another matter.
I didn't ask about "experiences of others", I asked about verifiable evidence.


Tcg
You asked about verifiable evidence. The only evidence I've seen are the experiences of others. If you choose not to accept those as verifiable evidence, that's your call, of course.
What are the experiences of others that you consider to be verifiable evidence?


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Tcg wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:07 am
I didn't ask about "experiences of others", I asked about verifiable evidence.

Tcg
You keep droning on with that request, but you haven't even defined "life." I think we can agree that death is the absence of life, so we have death defined. But if you can't define life, then no one can even attempt to give you what you're looking for.

18. The followers said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
19. Jesus said, "Have you discovered the beginning, then, so that you are seeking the end? For where the beginning is the end will be. Blessings on one who stands at the beginning: That one will know the end and will not taste death."


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