Responsibility

[nobspeople]

You get caught breaking the speed limit, you are responsible for the ticket and or court costs, if not more.
Breaking the speed limit without getting caught still opens you to the possibility of potential repercussions.
Yet, you aren't all knowing, powerful, present, etc.
You're simply a mortal, flawed living animal.

All this said, still, people claim we are responsible for our own sins, and the sins of 'our fathers', so to speak (according to some). This same sin was created (or allowed to be created) by the modern christian god (again, according to some).

For discussion:
Where's god's responsibility in all this?
What's god responsibility for when it comes to sin and the everlasting life some claim it can provide? Does providing a sacrifice suffice? Does god not have any responsibility in this - does it get an excuse?

[JehovahsWitness]

What's god responsibility for when it comes to sin and the everlasting life some claim it can provide? Does providing a sacrifice suffice? Does god not have any responsibility in this - does it get an excuse?

• Sin : God s responsible for establishing what is to be considered a sin.

• Everlasting life, : God s responsible for the decision who lives and who dies and under what conditions. Biblically those that do not give him the respect he is due and refuse to recognise him as a an intelligent person rather than a just an impersonal force will be killed off like so much garbage.

Does providing a sacrifice suffice? Yes

To learn more please go to other posts related to

SIN, RANSOM and ... RESPONSIBILITY

[JehovahsWitness]

....does it get an excuse?

What is the "it" you are referring to here? In English, "it" usually refers to objects, things and impersonal forces ... not intelligent persons? I cannot answer this part of your question without clarification as to what your "it" is.




JW

[Miles]

What's god responsibility for when it comes to sin and the everlasting life some claim it can provide? Does providing a sacrifice suffice? Does god not have any responsibility in this - does it get an excuse?

• Sin : God s responsible for establishing what is to be considered a sin.

• Everlasting life, : God s responsible for the decision who lives and who dies and under what conditions. Biblically those that do not give him the respect he is due and refuse to recognise him as a an intelligent person rather than a just an impersonal force will be killed off like so much garbage.

• Heartbreak and misery: God's responsible for everything that's morally wrong or bad; wicked; harmful; detrimental; which is characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; and is unfortunate; and disastrous due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character. PLUS, god was fine with letting Satan take over the direction mankind would take. Meaning everyone is born treading quicksand. Nice guy, this god who finds it necessary to create evil.
  
  
  Does providing a sacrifice suffice? No

[brunumb]

Biblically those that do not give him the respect he is due and refuse to recognise him as a an intelligent person rather than a just an impersonal force will be killed off like so much garbage.

Sounds like disfellowshipping taken to the extreme. Any deity that would treat human beings like garbage is not worthy of respect. Nor is any religious organisation that regards such behaviour as acceptable. In my opinion, of course.

[nobspeople]

....does it get an excuse?

What is the "it" you are referring to here? In English, "it" usually refers to objects, things and impersonal forces ... not intelligent persons? I cannot answer this part of your question without clarification as to what your "it" is.




JW

God

[JehovahsWitness]

Biblically those that do not give him the respect he is due and refuse to recognise him as a an intelligent person rather than a just an impersonal force will be killed off like so much garbage.

Sounds like disfellowshipping taken to the extreme.

Yes and no: No, because disfellowshipping is not divine judgement and the the measure is taken out of love for members of the Congregation (it does non concern non-witnesses). Yes, the righteous will be protected from the wicked in paradise, just as present day congregation are protected from bad influences by disfellowhipping

[nobspeople]

What's god responsibility for when it comes to sin and the everlasting life some claim it can provide? Does providing a sacrifice suffice? Does god not have any responsibility in this - does it get an excuse?

• Sin : God s responsible for establishing what is to be considered a sin.

• Everlasting life, : God s responsible for the decision who lives and who dies and under what conditions. Biblically those that do not give him the respect he is due and refuse to recognise him as a an intelligent person rather than a just an impersonal force will be killed off like so much garbage.

Does providing a sacrifice suffice? Yes

To learn more please go to other posts related to

SIN, RANSOM and ... RESPONSIBILITY

The whole 'sacrifice' thing seems to be something to 'fix' an error, an error which many say god is incapable of doing.
To the point: if god is responsible for everything (good and bad) but sacrificed his self/son/self (sacrificed to who or what, exactly? jesus's eternal existence was never threatened - all he did was suffer for a couple years in physical pain knowing his outcome would be fine - people alive today suffer longer than jesus ever did), so what?
A sacrifice will only suffice is there's a need to have it. The only reason it was needed was either because god made a mistake or this was god's plan all along. Either way, it makes god worthless as a deity needing worship making this sacrifice, at the very least, a way to save face IMO.

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All this said, still, people claim we are responsible for our own sins, and the sins of 'our fathers', so to speak (according to some). This same sin was created (or allowed to be created) by the modern christian god (again, according to some).

For discussion:
Where's god's responsibility in all this?
What's god responsibility for when it comes to sin and the everlasting life some claim it can provide? Does providing a sacrifice suffice? Does god not have any responsibility in this - does it get an excuse?

I have understood sin is to reject God. This is possible because God gave us freedom to do so. I think freedom is good. God is not responsible for evil actions people choose by the freedom they have, especially when He has given good rules how people should live.

I think it is wrong to say God provided sacrifice, because sins can be forgiven without such thing. However, if someone suffers without just reason in this life, God has promised eternal life and I think He compensates possible wrong suffering similarly as in the case of Job.

[brunumb]

Biblically those that do not give him the respect he is due and refuse to recognise him as a an intelligent person rather than a just an impersonal force will be killed off like so much garbage.

Sounds like disfellowshipping taken to the extreme.

Yes and no: No, because disfellowshipping is not divine judgement and the the measure is taken out of love for members of the Congregation (it does non concern non-witnesses). Yes, the righteous will be protected from the wicked in paradise, just as present day congregation are protected from bad influences by disfellowhipping

Treating people like garbage is the antithesis of love.