Willum's crack-pot premise #127: Syria

[Willum]

The word/people/nation/name/angel "Israel," has perplexed me for some time, and I know there is a brain or two on this site that can assist in unraveling the mystery.

So, premise #1 is that Israel does not mean what it is supposed to mean in Hebrew. I can look that one up, and it is dismissed for purposes of this OP.

Assuming that it has an uncover-able meaning, just as Michael means "God of Mecca," Aeriel is the "God of Summer," and Uriel is simple the "God of Ur."

I'd like you to examine Israel. The obvious interpretation is the God (or angel) or Isr.

But what is Isr?

Here is what I think:
All these names were first referenced about the same time: 1000 BC, around the time of the Assyrian Empire.
Also monotheism was first popular, the worship of a form of Zeus, in modern day Syria.

Finally, Assyria, or Syria, both of these are close enough phonetically to Israel (remember vowels were non-standard 3000 years ago,) to perhaps mean that Israel is Assyriel or Syriel.

So the question is, are the Israelites actually taking their name from Syria/Assyria?

Can a stronger premise be researched? or refuted?

I appreciate your consideration, research or research recommendations in the matter.

[JP Cusick]

The oldest verified age was 122 years and 164 days: Jeanne Calment of France, who died in 1997.

Can we agree that no god has limited the age of humans to be 120 years max?

Sorry, we can’t, because that age can be fake news, only made to support atheism.

It is also possible that there is mistake.

And there is also the possibility that Bible means with hundred and twenty all the years 120-129.

Hi 1213 ~ I have begun to really like your comments, as you have real insight into things.

First you made the excellent point that the names for Syria and Assyria could come from the word Israel.

Now you nail it that God could have meant all the years 120-129.

I was content to say that living to 122 is close enough to the 120 for me.

The bigger point in my view is that the Bible declared the end from the beginning, because the Bible was saying that people were living to be hundreds of years old and then it wound down to 120 years which seems out of place until we apply it to real life.

If we look at the message literally then people's lives are not being pushed up to 120 - they are being pushed down to 120.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 31 by JP Cusick]

But that would mean that the Jews were Syrian.
Which is not historically plausible, hence my "crack-pot" premise.

Whereas Children of Sarah's daughter, or children of the god from Sarah, or Israel, makes so much sense, I seriously doubt you can do anything but deny it.

It fits like a puzzle piece and solves many mysteries...

Can you deny a one, except that you need a new Lord?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 19 by JP Cusick]

What's amazing to me is that a simple quest for the meaning of a name, "Israel," reveals so much of history and myth buried and destroyed in an effort to validate some other version.

The name showed the break between titan and man, right where it needed to be.
It revealed the matrilineal origin.
Whose children the children of Israel really are: The children of the daughter of Sarah or Asherah.
The connection between Yahweh and Abraham is explained.

The story of Jacob and Esau now fits in like a glove.
And also explains why Rebekah has less back-story than the other characters, despite being an important figure.

Most importantly, it reveals that Judaism is a myth like all the others.

Now you understand why the names were changed...

They were the children of the daughter of Asherah, therefore let them be called Israel.

[Clownboat]

The oldest verified age was 122 years and 164 days: Jeanne Calment of France, who died in 1997.

Can we agree that no god has limited the age of humans to be 120 years max?

Sorry, we can’t, because that age can be fake news, only made to support atheism.

It is also possible that there is mistake.

And there is also the possibility that Bible means with hundred and twenty all the years 120-129.

Thanks for reminding me the mental gymnastics I use to have to ascribe to in order to hold on to my religious beliefs.

Fake news about Jeanne Louise Calment.
Fake birth certificates for her.
Fake census documents about her.
How would she know how old she is or what year she was born in?
120 actually might mean 129.
All because of some agenda to support atheism?



The only agenda I see is an agenda to believe anything in order to maintain credibility in a book with talking animals.

The desperation is staggering!

[JP Cusick]

But that would mean that the Jews were Syrian.
Which is not historically plausible, hence my "crack-pot" premise.

The Jews were not Israel.

The first mention of the Jews in the Bible is when the Jews were at war against Israel and against Syria, while Assyria was on the sidelines.

See 2 Kings 16:5-7

Even today the Jews claim to be Israel - which they are not.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 35 by JP Cusick]

This kind of derision more or less demonstrates there are no counter-argents, for I did indeed mean those who would be Jewish.

Even so, it still means that the Syrians became Jews, which actually is an identical point, because it is so highly unlikely I called it a crack-pot premise.

It has been demo'd wrong, and we now, thanks to CSMM have an iron clad theory that all believers can do is say:

"But that doesn't prove anything..." and be completely unable to back it up.

We have shown where Judaism turned the corned from myth to men, just like all myths do. That being shown, it is shown to be a myth.

Unless can be proven otherwise, we have proof of the myth, and proof of the effort to cover it up.

What counters are there - that can't be refuted by saying the chroniclers were simply lying?

[JP Cusick]

It has been demo'd wrong, and we now, thanks to CSMM have an iron clad theory that all believers can do is say:

Unless can be proven otherwise, we have proof of the myth, and proof of the effort to cover it up.

Well I am confused by this declaration.

I went back to look over the CSMM comments and all I see is Israel can be translated as Mother-Father (Gods).

So if there is some big revelation then please simplify it and paraphrase it so us mere mortals can understand it too?

I do not get the message or the proposition.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 37 by JP Cusick]

He pointed out that Israel was derived from Asherah, or Sarah.
Sarah is the grandmother, Isarahel is here daughter and the mother of the Jews.
As the Jews are known as the Children of Isreal, you should wonder who she is.

And now you know. And now you know they claimed decadency from a god who doesn't exist...

Well, everything else followed.

[JP Cusick]

[Replying to post 37 by JP Cusick]
He pointed out that Israel was derived from Asherah, or Sarah.
Sarah is the grandmother, Isarahel is here daughter and the mother of the Jews.
As the Jews are known as the Children of Isreal, you should wonder who she is.

And now you know. And now you know they claimed decadency from a god who doesn't exist...

Well, everything else followed.

If Israel means Sarah the it would be children of Sarah.

And if it is Sarah-El then it would be the children of Sarah's God.

And since "Sarah" is said to mean "princess" then the "Yi" on Israel would be male as in "prince" and thereby the name Israel would mean Prince (or son) of God (El).

Asherah was the nature Goddess - as in Mother Nature.

The Nature-Gods have always existed.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 39 by JP Cusick]

Israel is Daughter of Sarah, or from Sarah, who is a god.
If you had read the OP, which I happen to notice you did, but you still managed to forget, you would know that.

People who redefined the word because it undermines their religion say "Sarah" means princess.

See, you can deny it all, but it explains too much of Hebrew mythology to just be dashed away. Especially when the people who redefined Sarah are the ones who don't want you to believe it is myth. There is bias there, which means one needs to investigate beyond the bias.

Please see,
Angel and gods names, if you wish to contest that issue.