All in agreement

[nobspeople]

Back in the day, when I was a wee lad, the preacher in the church I attended left without a permanent replacement. The board interviewed a few candidates and, eventually, filtered them out to two individuals. The board had to vote which one to offer the position. I remember something one of the board members, Scott, said to this day. He said, something to the like of:
"If we're in Christ, we will all vote the same way. It will either be all YES or all NO, but we all will vote the same."

Is that something, IYO, that is not only feasible but likely? Should all governing bodies of said church be so in tune with God that they will all agree (or disagree) on the same items that involve the church and its teaching/mission?

If so, does that negate their free will?

I God doesn't interact to make them all agree, does that mean God plays the majority? Or that whatever they're deciding isn't important enough?

[JehovahsWitness]

So it's not God's plan that any harm comes to anyone?

I do not believe God plans harm but for the incorrigibly wicked. The God of the bible is a God of justice, the wicked will be punished but any individual can change his destiny by repenting.



JW

[nobspeople]

So it's not God's plan that any harm comes to anyone?

I do not believe God plans harm but for the incorrigibly wicked. The God of the bible is a God of justice, the wicked will be punished but any individual can change his destiny by repenting.



JW

While I appreciate this POV, I can't agree with it in total. If God harms the 'incorrigibly wicked', that's not a part of a loving God I, or many others, want to be associated with if that God is said to be the God of love (some say God IS love). Additionally, drowning almost all living things, killing the first born of Egypt, slaying armies that are against him - none of these things, to me, are just for a being that's capable of anything.
Unlike many people, I don't project humanity and its limited view of things on a being that's unlimited.

[JehovahsWitness]

...If God harms the 'incorrigibly wicked', that's not a part of a loving God I, or many others, want to be associated with if that God is said to be the God of love (some say God IS love). Additionally, drowning almost all living things, killing the first born of Egypt, slaying armies that are against him - none of these things, to me, are just for a being that's capable of anything.
Unlike many people, I don't project humanity and its limited view of things on a being that's unlimited.

I disagree. Love cannot exist independent of justice.



Is KILLING compatible with LOVE?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 39#p952839

Go to other posts related to ARMAGEDDON, DEATH and ...KILLING

[brunumb]

If God harms the 'incorrigibly wicked', that's not a part of a loving God I, or many others, want to be associated with if that God is said to be the God of love (some say God IS love). Additionally, drowning almost all living things, killing the first born of Egypt, slaying armies that are against him - none of these things, to me, are just for a being that's capable of anything.

I agree. There is really no sign of any love in those actions and they don't even merit the attribution of justice. Some Christians attempt to whitewash the barbaric acts of their God by tossing the latter into the mix, but what we really have are acts of retribution that are not necessarily warranted or just.

[nobspeople]

...If God harms the 'incorrigibly wicked', that's not a part of a loving God I, or many others, want to be associated with if that God is said to be the God of love (some say God IS love). Additionally, drowning almost all living things, killing the first born of Egypt, slaying armies that are against him - none of these things, to me, are just for a being that's capable of anything.
Unlike many people, I don't project humanity and its limited view of things on a being that's unlimited.

I disagree. Love cannot exist independent of justice.



Is KILLING compatible with LOVE?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 39#p952839

Go to other posts related to ARMAGEDDON, DEATH and ...KILLING

That's probably true. Which is why, IMO, God isn't just but is a angry, spoiled brat of a thing

[nobspeople]

If God harms the 'incorrigibly wicked', that's not a part of a loving God I, or many others, want to be associated with if that God is said to be the God of love (some say God IS love). Additionally, drowning almost all living things, killing the first born of Egypt, slaying armies that are against him - none of these things, to me, are just for a being that's capable of anything.

I agree. There is really no sign of any love in those actions and they don't even merit the attribution of justice. Some Christians attempt to whitewash the barbaric acts of their God by tossing the latter into the mix, but what we really have are acts of retribution that are not necessarily warranted or just.

I've found the concept of 'justice' often changes with one's bias and need to protect the one dealing out the 'justice'.

[1213]

....So God puts forth some type of plan for one person's life - let's call her Murene. Murene impacts dozens of others. You're saying nothing that nothing Murene did that was a result of God's plan for her, harms anyone else?
That doesn't seem to jive with Adam and Eve in the Garden, if God's plan was for them to sin and create inherited sin (as some believe) for mankind, which cause God to send his son as a sacrifice (again, as many believe).
So it's not God's plan that any harm comes to anyone?

I think you make too much hypothetical questions that dont really have much to do with Bible teachings. I really dont have any reason to go to that path. But, I want to say, God didnt plan anyone to do wrong things. If people do wrong things, it is peoples own planning and doing.

[nobspeople]

....So God puts forth some type of plan for one person's life - let's call her Murene. Murene impacts dozens of others. You're saying nothing that nothing Murene did that was a result of God's plan for her, harms anyone else?
That doesn't seem to jive with Adam and Eve in the Garden, if God's plan was for them to sin and create inherited sin (as some believe) for mankind, which cause God to send his son as a sacrifice (again, as many believe).
So it's not God's plan that any harm comes to anyone?

I think you make too much hypothetical questions that dont really have much to do with Bible teachings. I really dont have any reason to go to that path. But, I want to say, God didnt plan anyone to do wrong things. If people do wrong things, it is peoples own planning and doing.

I appreciate your POV, but I never claimed every question asked speaks directly to biblical teachings. I'm more interested in how people respond to a belief than what you, the guy over there, the girl down the hall, or even my own interpretation of specific biblical teachings are as, we can all see, individual views of even the same biblical teachings can vary to a high degree.
But if you think there's nothing of value in my questions, biblically speaking, you're free to ignore me.