The Science of Bigfoot

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The Science of Bigfoot

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I was encouraged by nobspeople and We_Are_VENOM to start a Bigfoot thread. Honestly, I only know a little about the Patterson-Gimlin footage (which I happen to think is authentic). I am not very knowledgeable about much else though. Still, I want to provide links to two videos which I think are worth looking at:

Blevins best proof of Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot is real:



The Patterson Gimlin Film, "One Minute to film, 45 years to explain":



Hopefully more participants can contribute. Thanks.
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Re: The Science of Bigfoot

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Dimmesdale wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:25 pm
Tcg wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:59 pm
Dimmesdale wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:05 pm I'm convinced it was a real creature.
I'm sure you are. Little children who find quarters or dollars or whatever is the going rate for teeth these days under their pillows after their mommies tuck them in at night are also convinced that the tooth fairy is a real creature. Of course the joy a belief brings is not evidence that belief has any correspondence to reality.


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Nice ridicule. I don't sense any logic though. And I live in the Temple of Logic, so if you don't got any.... that's kinda not my thing....
What I've presented is based on pure logic. Your conviction about bigfoot is equivalent to children's conviction concerning the tooth fairy. While your unsupportable assertion concerning your place of abode is amusing, it does nothing to change this fact.


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Re: The Science of Bigfoot

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Tcg wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:37 pm
Dimmesdale wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:25 pm
Tcg wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:59 pm
Dimmesdale wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:05 pm I'm convinced it was a real creature.
I'm sure you are. Little children who find quarters or dollars or whatever is the going rate for teeth these days under their pillows after their mommies tuck them in at night are also convinced that the tooth fairy is a real creature. Of course the joy a belief brings is not evidence that belief has any correspondence to reality.


Tcg
Nice ridicule. I don't sense any logic though. And I live in the Temple of Logic, so if you don't got any.... that's kinda not my thing....
What I've presented is based on pure logic. Your conviction about bigfoot is equivalent to children's conviction concerning the tooth fairy. While your unsupportable assertion concerning your place of abode is amusing, it does nothing to change this fact.


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A child believing in the TF:

"My mommy told me so."

Me believing in the PG creature:

1. The footage exists.
2. A costume today would not be good enough.
3. A costume 54 years ago would not be adequate either.
4. The people who foisted this "hoax" weren't professional costume artists anyway.
5. We can see muscle flexing, toes extending, fat dangling, boobs bouncing, skin showing, etc.
6. A costume isn't a potential alternate candidate for explanation. Period.
7. If you can show me a candidate this good, then I'll listen.
8. If not a costume, then what? (we need some explanation)

9. A creature of some sort must exist. Some thing was taped.

Nope. Definitely not human.
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Re: The Science of Bigfoot

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Dimmesdale wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:49 pm 9. A creature of some sort must exist. Some thing was taped.

Nope. Definitely not human.
Yes, some thing was taped. Now all you have to do is proved evidence that this thing wasn't human.

That shouldn't be hard for one who claims to live in Temple of Logic.


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Re: The Science of Bigfoot

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Tcg wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:54 pm
Dimmesdale wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:49 pm 9. A creature of some sort must exist. Some thing was taped.

Nope. Definitely not human.
Yes, some thing was taped. Now all you have to do is proved evidence that this thing wasn't human.

That shouldn't be hard for one who claims to live in Temple of Logic.


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Do you live with absolute proof?

No, of course you don't, you're an atheist/agnostic right?

Yet you still believe things like evolution.

Then why not accept that the likelihood is that this thing isn't human? Absolute proof is impossible anyway by your own standard.

I don't have absolute proof. But I think it's practically certain it's not human and any objective person, who is clear-minded and not kidding himself in some way, can see it. I'm willing to stake that claim, assuming you have payed attention to the same things I've payed attention to.

Then again, so many of us don't see the writing on the wall even. Such is human nature.
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Re: The Science of Bigfoot

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Dimmesdale wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:00 am
Tcg wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:54 pm
Dimmesdale wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:49 pm 9. A creature of some sort must exist. Some thing was taped.

Nope. Definitely not human.
Yes, some thing was taped. Now all you have to do is proved evidence that this thing wasn't human.

That shouldn't be hard for one who claims to live in Temple of Logic.


Tcg
I don't have absolute proof.
Of course you don't. And yet your previous claim, "Nope. Definitely not human." is an absolute claim. Is this your admission that your former claim is flawed or will you continue to claim that your residence in the Temple of Logic absolves you of all such falicies?


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Re: The Science of Bigfoot

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Tcg wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:08 am
Dimmesdale wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:00 am
Tcg wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:54 pm
Dimmesdale wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:49 pm 9. A creature of some sort must exist. Some thing was taped.

Nope. Definitely not human.
Yes, some thing was taped. Now all you have to do is proved evidence that this thing wasn't human.

That shouldn't be hard for one who claims to live in Temple of Logic.


Tcg
I don't have absolute proof.
Of course you don't. And yet your previous claim, "Nope. Definitely not human." is an absolute claim. Is this your admission that your former claim is flawed or will you continue to claim that your residence in the Temple of Logic absolves you of all such falicies?


Tcg
Since I believe in God and the reality that we can know truth (God being the granter of truth and knowledge to those who know and love him), I have access to certain knowledge. I don't have atheistic blinders on, in other words.

Unfortunately, since you don't accept God or truth, you're pretty much at the level of solipsism. Sorry. That's all you got. That's all your worldview can provide for you.
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Re: The Science of Bigfoot

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Dimmesdale wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:11 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:08 am
Dimmesdale wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:00 am
Tcg wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:54 pm
Dimmesdale wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:49 pm 9. A creature of some sort must exist. Some thing was taped.

Nope. Definitely not human.
Yes, some thing was taped. Now all you have to do is proved evidence that this thing wasn't human.

That shouldn't be hard for one who claims to live in Temple of Logic.


Tcg
I don't have absolute proof.
Of course you don't. And yet your previous claim, "Nope. Definitely not human." is an absolute claim. Is this your admission that your former claim is flawed or will you continue to claim that your residence in the Temple of Logic absolves you of all such falicies?


Tcg
Since I believe in God and the reality that we can know truth (God being the granter of truth and knowledge to those who know and love him), I have access to certain knowledge. I don't have atheistic blinders on, in other words.

Unfortunately, since you don't accept God or truth, you're pretty much at the level of solipsism. Sorry. That's all you got. That's all your worldview can provide for you.
I thought the subject here was the "Science of Bigfoot?" What in the world does God have to do with Bigfoot?

In any case, your Ad Hominem doesn't support your claim that, "Nope. Definitely not human." is true concerning these videos, or whatever, about Bigfoot.


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Re: The Science of Bigfoot

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Tcg wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:25 am
Dimmesdale wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:11 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:08 am
Dimmesdale wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:00 am
Tcg wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:54 pm
Dimmesdale wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:49 pm 9. A creature of some sort must exist. Some thing was taped.

Nope. Definitely not human.
Yes, some thing was taped. Now all you have to do is proved evidence that this thing wasn't human.

That shouldn't be hard for one who claims to live in Temple of Logic.


Tcg
I don't have absolute proof.
Of course you don't. And yet your previous claim, "Nope. Definitely not human." is an absolute claim. Is this your admission that your former claim is flawed or will you continue to claim that your residence in the Temple of Logic absolves you of all such falicies?


Tcg
Since I believe in God and the reality that we can know truth (God being the granter of truth and knowledge to those who know and love him), I have access to certain knowledge. I don't have atheistic blinders on, in other words.

Unfortunately, since you don't accept God or truth, you're pretty much at the level of solipsism. Sorry. That's all you got. That's all your worldview can provide for you.
I thought the subject here was the "Science of Bigfoot?" What in the world does God have to do with Bigfoot?

In any case, your Ad Hominem doesn't support your claim that, "Nope. Definitely not human." is true concerning these videos, or whatever, about Bigfoot.


Tcg
You're right in this aspect here, actually. Actually I know more about Bigfoot than I let on in this thread. But I have other evidence you would just consider too bizarre. So I stick with the videos' commentary.

But I know for certain it is not human. I know. But I can't transmit this certainty to you, sadly.
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Re: The Science of Bigfoot

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Dimmesdale wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:31 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:25 am
Dimmesdale wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:11 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:08 am
Dimmesdale wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:00 am
Tcg wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:54 pm
Dimmesdale wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:49 pm 9. A creature of some sort must exist. Some thing was taped.

Nope. Definitely not human.
Yes, some thing was taped. Now all you have to do is proved evidence that this thing wasn't human.

That shouldn't be hard for one who claims to live in Temple of Logic.


Tcg
I don't have absolute proof.
Of course you don't. And yet your previous claim, "Nope. Definitely not human." is an absolute claim. Is this your admission that your former claim is flawed or will you continue to claim that your residence in the Temple of Logic absolves you of all such falicies?


Tcg
Since I believe in God and the reality that we can know truth (God being the granter of truth and knowledge to those who know and love him), I have access to certain knowledge. I don't have atheistic blinders on, in other words.

Unfortunately, since you don't accept God or truth, you're pretty much at the level of solipsism. Sorry. That's all you got. That's all your worldview can provide for you.
I thought the subject here was the "Science of Bigfoot?" What in the world does God have to do with Bigfoot?

In any case, your Ad Hominem doesn't support your claim that, "Nope. Definitely not human." is true concerning these videos, or whatever, about Bigfoot.


Tcg
You're right in this aspect here, actually. Actually I know more about Bigfoot than I let on in this thread. But I have other evidence you would just consider too bizarre. So I stick with the videos' commentary.

But I know for certain it is not human. I know. But I can't transmit this certainty to you, sadly.
Yes, it is so sad that a resident of the Temple of Logic can't support any of the claims they've made about Bigfoot. Not a single one.


Tcg
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Re: The Science of Bigfoot

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Tcg wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:36 am
Dimmesdale wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:31 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:25 am
Dimmesdale wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:11 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:08 am
Dimmesdale wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:00 am
Tcg wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:54 pm
Dimmesdale wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:49 pm 9. A creature of some sort must exist. Some thing was taped.

Nope. Definitely not human.
Yes, some thing was taped. Now all you have to do is proved evidence that this thing wasn't human.

That shouldn't be hard for one who claims to live in Temple of Logic.


Tcg
I don't have absolute proof.
Of course you don't. And yet your previous claim, "Nope. Definitely not human." is an absolute claim. Is this your admission that your former claim is flawed or will you continue to claim that your residence in the Temple of Logic absolves you of all such falicies?


Tcg
Since I believe in God and the reality that we can know truth (God being the granter of truth and knowledge to those who know and love him), I have access to certain knowledge. I don't have atheistic blinders on, in other words.

Unfortunately, since you don't accept God or truth, you're pretty much at the level of solipsism. Sorry. That's all you got. That's all your worldview can provide for you.
I thought the subject here was the "Science of Bigfoot?" What in the world does God have to do with Bigfoot?

In any case, your Ad Hominem doesn't support your claim that, "Nope. Definitely not human." is true concerning these videos, or whatever, about Bigfoot.


Tcg
You're right in this aspect here, actually. Actually I know more about Bigfoot than I let on in this thread. But I have other evidence you would just consider too bizarre. So I stick with the videos' commentary.

But I know for certain it is not human. I know. But I can't transmit this certainty to you, sadly.
Yes, it is so sad that a resident of the Temple of Logic can't support any of the claims they've made about Bigfoot. Not a single one.


Tcg
Oh no, I've offered at the very least extremely plausible believability to a person without any greater knowledge of these things.....

Show me a costume that is 1/10th as good as the "costume" in the footage, and you can shut me up on that front. Otherwise, I will just keep being me, and hammering at this logical nail......
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