Doctor Jesus

[SallyF]

Faithful Father, thank you that you hear and answer my prayers. The Bible says that, to those who ask, it will be given, to those who seek, it will be found and to those who knock, the door will be opened. Hear my prayer for a successful surgery. Give me assurance that I will be healed. May Christ dwell in my heart through faith so that I, being rooted and grounded in love, may have the strength to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge. May I be filled with all the fullness of God. Through Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen. https://connectusfund.org/21-short-powe ... to-go-well

Can we demonstrate that the "Faithful Father" (the mythological god Jehovah/Yahweh) is in any way ever involved in human medical procedures, or that Christ dwells in anyone's heart …?

Could this be dangerous superstition …?

[1213]

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Can we demonstrate that the "Faithful Father" (the mythological god Jehovah/Yahweh) is in any way ever involved in human medical procedures,...

Probably not. I got the Covid and prayed that God is merciful me and heals me. I survived, was it because of God? Atheist would probably say that I would have healed anyway. Funny thing is, same can be said about any medicine.

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to 1213 in post #33]

Probably not. I got the Covid and prayed that God is merciful me and heals me. I survived, was it because of God? Atheist would probably say that I would have healed anyway.

I think medical science would say that you would have most likely survived Covid anyway, especially if you were not in a high risk group (very old, comorbidities, etc.). The case fatality rate in Finland is right about 1% overall so statistically your chances were pretty good ... prayers or no prayers:

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

Funny thing is, same can be said about any medicine.

For many medicines (eg. antibiotics, pain killers, and many others) we know the mechanism for how it works at the molecular level so it isn't just chance that the medicine helps. Most homeopathic "medicines" would not be in this category though, although some modern drugs were developed by extracting an active chemical from a plant or fungus, etc. Acetylsalicylic acid is an example. Salicylic acid is contained in the bark of willow trees, which people chewed for many centuries for its pain relieving effects without any idea of why it worked. After identifying and extracting the active chemical in willow bark, a German chemist named Frederich Bayer worked out that adding an acetyl group made it easier on the stomach, which he had worked on because straight salicylic acid upset his father's stomach too much. Bayer marketed it as aspirin and the rest is history ... and we also know the mechanism for how aspirin works.

[Tcg]

Atheist would probably say that I would have healed anyway.

Anyone who is reasonably scientifically minded, theist and atheist alike, and is aware of the data DrNoGods presented would think you would have healed anyway. Very few things come down to an atheist versus theist showdown. This one certainly doesn't. Not sure why you've attempted to present it as one.


Tcg

[brunumb]

I got the Covid and prayed that God is merciful me and heals me.

Why? As a righteous person surely covid would have been a fast-track into heaven.

[1213]

I got the Covid and prayed that God is merciful me and heals me.

Why? As a righteous person surely covid would have been a fast-track into heaven.

Bible tells eternal life is for righteous. I am not right person to say am I righteous, therefore I don’t know what will I get after this. However, I think I have few things to do still and one of my reasons was also that I rather die to some other reason than to this, because I think this Covid pandemic is intentionally arranged so that people would lose freedom, leaders would get more money and power. Reasons why I think so is that the whole pandemic was dealt so that it would surely spread and drugs like Ivermectin has been kept away from many people so that more people would die and it would be easier to sell totalitarianism and expensive experimental vaccines.

[brunumb]

I got the Covid and prayed that God is merciful me and heals me.

Why? As a righteous person surely covid would have been a fast-track into heaven.

Bible tells eternal life is for righteous. I am not right person to say am I righteous, therefore I don’t know what will I get after this. However, I think I have few things to do still and one of my reasons was also that I rather die to some other reason than to this, because I think this Covid pandemic is intentionally arranged so that people would lose freedom, leaders would get more money and power. Reasons why I think so is that the whole pandemic was dealt so that it would surely spread and drugs like Ivermectin has been kept away from many people so that more people would die and it would be easier to sell totalitarianism and expensive experimental vaccines.

God has clearly failed to protect you from ridiculous conspiracy theories.

[1213]

I got the Covid and prayed that God is merciful me and heals me.

Why? As a righteous person surely covid would have been a fast-track into heaven.

Bible tells eternal life is for righteous. I am not right person to say am I righteous, therefore I don’t know what will I get after this. However, I think I have few things to do still and one of my reasons was also that I rather die to some other reason than to this, because I think this Covid pandemic is intentionally arranged so that people would lose freedom, leaders would get more money and power. Reasons why I think so is that the whole pandemic was dealt so that it would surely spread and drugs like Ivermectin has been kept away from many people so that more people would die and it would be easier to sell totalitarianism and expensive experimental vaccines.

God has clearly failed to protect you from ridiculous conspiracy theories.

I don’t see any reason to think it is a conspiracy theory. If you followed the news, in the beginning of the epidemic Trump tried to restrict travel and he was ridiculed and it was told that it is wrong. That obviously helped to spread the virus, or why else we now have the restrictions?

Secondly, there are drugs that help, like for example Ivermectin, which is kept hidden in main stream media and not used normally. I don’t know any other reason for doing so than that rulers want the epidemic continue and people to die.

“Doctors cure 6,000 patients with Covid-19 with Ivermectin”
https://dominicantoday.com/dr/covid-19/ ... vermectin/

Because that kind of things are intentionally kept away from mainstream media and rulers rather choose to limit freedom of people, destroy human rights, to sell expensive experimental vaccine and to let people die without proper medicine, I don’t think there is any reason to think this is a conspiracy theory. Did I not show facts?

[bluegreenearth]

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Can we demonstrate that the "Faithful Father" (the mythological god Jehovah/Yahweh) is in any way ever involved in human medical procedures,...

Probably not. I got the Covid and prayed that God is merciful me and heals me. I survived, was it because of God? Atheist would probably say that I would have healed anyway. Funny thing is, same can be said about any medicine.

Is it not the case that when a proposed medicine fails more than half time it is used or succeeds at a rate no better than random chance, it is not considered to be a legitimate treatment for the intended illness?

[Tcg]

Reasons why I think so is that the whole pandemic was dealt so that it would surely spread and drugs like Ivermectin has been kept away from many people so that more people would die and it would be easier to sell totalitarianism and expensive experimental vaccines.

There is of course a much more likely reason to consider:

Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic

KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:

- No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;

- No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;

- A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.

We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statem ... -pandemic/

The reason Ivermectin is not being pushed as a cure for COVID-19 is because it has not been shown to be one. Simple fact. There's no reason to jump to unfounded conclusions.


Tcg

[1213]

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The reason Ivermectin is not being pushed as a cure for COVID-19 is because it has not been shown to be one. Simple fact. There's no reason to jump to unfounded conclusions.

That is odd, when we have evidence for it in India and here:

“Doctors cure 6,000 patients with Covid-19 with Ivermectin”
https://dominicantoday.com/dr/covid-19/ ... vermectin/

I don’t know do you follow news much, but in India the situation was quite bad, according to the news, then they begin to use Ivermectin and the situation got better.

“Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases”
https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/na ... 25a08.html

But, maybe it is just a placebo effect. I think the effect was still quite nice. Because I just don’t like that people die and I don’t have the need to sell experimental vaccines to others.

Seems like Merc.com is lying or blind.