Is Jesus mediator only for the “anointed class” of JW’s?

[MissKate13]

If true, then WHO mediates for the rest of the Jehovah’s Witnesses?

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace again to you.

I cannot answer that question with a yes or a no.

Simple binary answers are not possible in all the things you are asking me.

This is why we can't move forward. The things I want to know are impossible for you. These posts show you can't be clear and blaming the question is not an excuse when I made my questions as simple as I could make them.

Timothy, these are great examples of how to quote-mine, but your questions were not at all simple. They were poorly formed (containing spelling and grammar errors rendering them unclear.) You can blame everything on me (including misrepresenting my words) or you can go back and look for yourself, just as easily as anyone reading this thread can do (if anyone else is even interested in this silly back and forth).



Peace still.

Just stop with the excuses. I know you want the last word but its embarrassing to watch you throw attack after attack at me personally but not my questions.

I have not thrown personal attacks at you.

your questions were not at all simple. They were poorly formed (containing spelling and grammar errors rendering them unclear.)

That is an attack.

No it is not. It is no more a personal attack than you saying that my answers are not clear. I simply explained what made your question unclear (and the grammar and spelling errors could have been typos, or a consequence of using a small-screen phone instead of a computer, or simply a matter of responding too fast and not checking over your post, etc). I said nothing about you personally.


But if you think it is a personal attack, then by all means, feel free to report it.


Peace again to you.

[Eloi]

Those who do not accept that there are 144,000 chosen to be kings and priests with Jesus in heavens (Rev. 7:4) and a great crowd of Christian survivors of the great tribulation on earth "which no man was able to number" (Rev. 7:9 ) ... will never learn the truth.

[JehovahsWitness]

The position that the subjects of the Kingdom cannot be Christians prior to their surviving the great Tribulation is untenable and certainly unscriptural.

We have been around this block before ...



Why is it unscriptural to claim all Christians* living in the last days must be anointed?[discusssion with TAM]
viewtopic.php?p=1005160#p1005160

TAM recognises there will be two groups of individuals RULERS and SUBJECTS and that the subjects will live forever on earth. Her point however is that the SUBJECTS are all non-believers allowed to survive the coming destruction of the wicked. However ...

- Jesus classified the people that he allows to survive the coming destruction as "sheep" (rather than goats) and sheep following Christ (compare John 10:27, 28 ).

- there must be potential survivors that follow Christ* PRIOR to his return as supported by the fact that the "great crowd" , upon their survival recognize Jesus as the lamb and his role in their survival (unbelievers would either ignorant of the reason for their survival or would logically be declaring their repentance for their stubborn refusal up to this point)

CONCLUSION Sheeplike ones that supported Christ "brothers" but were not themselves identified as Christ brothers, who recognize God and Christ at the very moment "come out" of the Great tribulation, cannot be mere humanitarians, kind atheist or unbelievers. They must therefore be (at least of the majority) Christian believers of Christ prior to His return.



*

The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",[18] with an adjectival ending borrowed from Latin to denote adhering to, or even belonging to, as in slave ownership
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians

[MissKate13]

Those who do not accept that there are 144,000 chosen to be kings and priests with Jesus in heavens (Rev. 7:4) and a great crowd of Christian survivors of the great tribulation on earth "which no man was able to number" (Rev. 7:9 ) ... will never learn the truth.

Those who insist the sheep in John 10:16 are the “great crowd” will never learn the truth. They add to the word of God something that is never stated anywhere in Scripture.

Those who insist the “Little flock” is the 144,000 will never learn the truth. They add to the word of God something that is never stated anywhere in Scripture.

The arrive at these false conclusions by melding Scriptures together, and then mock all of Christendom saying they will never learn the truth.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #143]

The point you, all JW’s and Tam are missing is that the kingdom is here now, and true followers of Christ are ruling with Him.

"So Jesus said to them, Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Matthew 19:28)

People are being regenerated (born again) NOW John 3:5; Titus 3:5)

Christ is presently on the throne of His glory (1 Cor. 15:25; Luke 24:26; Rev. 3:21)

True followers of Christ are prophets called to proclaim God’s Word. They are priests ordained to offer themselves as sacrifices, and they are KINGS enthroned to war against the Lord’s enemies and help expand His kingdom.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to tam in post #141]

I going to do something better than report it I'm adding you to my ignore list. Repeated murky debates are pointless and I will not have another one with you.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to tam in post #141]

I going to do something better than report it I'm adding you to my ignore list. Repeated murky debates are pointless and I will not have another one with you.

There is nothing in my post to you that needs reporting.

I have no problem with you ignoring my posts. The good news is that others, perhaps some who are considering joining Watchtower, may come to see the light of the six Scriptures I posted.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to tam in post #141]

I going to do something better than report it I'm adding you to my ignore list. Repeated murky debates are pointless and I will not have another one with you.

There is nothing in my post to you that needs reporting.

I have no problem with you ignoring my posts. The good news is that others, perhaps some who are considering joining Watchtower, may come to see the light of the six Scriptures I posted.

I wasn't replying to you.

[Eloi]

No self-described "Christian" or true Christian is reigning until the Millennium has begun.

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years.

There are many sects of Christendom that teach this falsehood, causing their members to act arrogantly as if they have authority and rights over the rest of the world.

Not even the first century anointed believed they were reigning while living as Christians:

2 Tim. 2:12 if we go on enduring, we will also rule together as kings; if we deny, he will also deny us;

Rev. 3:21 To the one who conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, just as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Paul demonstrated to some of his days that they were not kings or anything like that, but had to suffer humiliation as long as they lived to achieve that hope of joining Christ in his kingdom on the day of his presence:

1 Cor. 4:8 Are you already satisfied? Are you already rich? Have you begun ruling as kings without us? I really wish that you had begun ruling as kings, so that we also might rule with you as kings. 9 For it seems to me that God has put us the apostles last on exhibition as men condemned to death, because we have become a theatrical spectacle to the world, and to angels and to men. 10 We are fools because of Christ, but you are discreet in Christ; we are weak, but you are strong; you are held in honor, but we in dishonor. 11 Down to this very hour we continue to hunger and thirst and to be poorly clothed and to be beaten and to be homeless 12 and to toil, working with our own hands. When insulted, we bless; when persecuted, we patiently endure; 13 when slandered, we answer mildly; we have become as the refuse of the world, the offscouring of all things, until now.

Some sects of Christendom deceive their members into being lured into their false status as "kings and priests" of today's world, and with this delusion their leaders manipulate them through their emotions. It is only wishful thinking and display of arrogance and personal pride, but it does not reflect the attitude that the Christian should have until the Christ arrives and picks up the rest of his true brothers who still remain on earth before beginning the Millennium of his kingdom over the entire planet.

1 John 2:28 So now, little children, remain in union with him, so that when he is made manifest we may have freeness of speech and not shrink away from him in shame at his presence.

The body of Christ is composed of Christians who have the holy spirit in them, they have to be humble and suffer until they ascend to heaven to take their positions, and as a whole they have to be united in the same mind. However, in Christendom there is no spiritual union of any kind, much less in those self-called "non-denominational/non-religious" Christians.

1 Cor. 12:13 For by one spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink one spirit.

PS: When Jesus and his brothers begin to reign over the entire planet, the Devil and the evil angels of him will be abyssed for that moment and for a long time and the conditions of the earth and of humanity will be very different from the current ones.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to Eloi in post #149]

We are living in the thousand year reign of Christ at this moment. Christ’s true followers have been in His kingdom since He established it on Pentecost AD 33. His true followers are reigning with Him. This is supported by the plain language of Scripture, which you’ve chosen to ignore.

As long as you continue to ignore the fact that the kingdom is here, you will never understand the truth. Meanwhile you refuse to accept His invitation to enter into His covenant. You reject Him as your mediator. You refuse to obey His gospel and to be born again.

It’s in the spiritual realm Christ and His followers reign reign.
God has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places (Eph 1) so that we can defeat Satan (Eph 6). We reign over sin and death through the blood of Christ. Sin, death, and condemnation have no power over us. Temptation and trials have no power over us. The love of God has given us the strength we need to overpower everything this world and the god of this world throws at us.