Jesus Way of Shepherding

[OneJack]

Jesus Way of Shepherding - COMING to and FOLLOWING the Lord Jesus Christ until the end,

Let's examine closely the flow of actions between the sheep and the Lord regarding salvation:


27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.


28. And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Read between the lines:

1. When we hear the voice of the Lord Jesus, we are known by Him.

2. When we follow the Lord Jesus, He gives us:

a) eternal life,
b) we shall never perish, and
c) no one can pluck us out of His hand.

There is no teaching of Jesus about 'free gift' or 'by grace, and the belief in the finished work of Christ to be saved, as you teach it today. Instead, those teachings are from Paul. Paul is not Jesus, even if you say he was sent by the Lord."

[placebofactor]

[Replying to OneJack in post #64]

Two things:
The Son of God is now sitting at the right hand of the Father. He will remain there until the Father has made His (Jesus) enemies his footstool.

If you may, just want to ask you - where and how did you learn this notion from? Have you ascended to heaven and have a fresh revelation from the Father?

If you're using the word notion to mean my opinion, it's NOT! The words come from the mouth of the Lord himself. John 14:28, "I go unto the Father:" Now, if you think Jesus is a liar, that's your problem, not mine.

Jesus said in John 15:26, "The Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my (Jesus) name, he shall teach you all things,"

Does this mean that the Holy Spirit teaches you today in your spiritual quest of knowing God and Jesus?

"ABSOLUTELY!"

So Jesus is with us through the Holy Spirit, who will not speak of himself, John 16:13, but will speak only what he hears from both the Father and Son.

Jesus used the pronoun ‘he’ to refer to the Holy Spirit, didn’t the Lord? However, in Matt 28:20, the Lord Jesus used the pronoun ‘I’ to refer to Himself, who will be with His disciples always unto the end of the world. This is the reason why Jesus (Matt 1:21) is the Immanuel (God with us, Isa 7:14) or the Eternal Father (Isa 9:6), as clearly reflected in the 3 prophecies (Isa 7:14; 9:6; Matt 1:21) about the virgin birth of the son who’ll be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35).

Correct, "He is with us through his ambassador, the Holy Spirit.

Now, Jesus may have said in Mark 13:32, "No man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." Nothing is mentioned about the Holy Spirit not knowing the day or the hour.

What would that mean if the Father didn’t mention the Holy Spirit?

It means that when the Holy Spirit is sent, He will have that knowledge. And because he will teach us "ALL" things, he will give it to those who desire to know.

And when the Holy Spirit was sent to us by the Father and the Son, we are told that the Holy Spirit,

John 14:26, "Will teach us all things, and bring all things to our remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

Again, have you experienced the tutelage of the Holy Spirit in this context?

"All I can say is, read my post, go to my website, 'seekfirstwisdom" then tell me what you think. Of course, there is an old saying, "We cannot please everyone."

There are mysteries now being revealed to us that only 100 years ago could not be understood, but are now being made manifest. Example:
1. The prophecies concerning the Jews' return to their land. Prophecies fulfilled on May 14, 1948.

2. The Hebrew language is being brought back from the dead.

3. The shekel is again the money of Israel.

4, Satellite communications so that the world can see within minutes any worldly event. Example, when the two Witnesses of Revelation 11 are murdered, the Bible, 2000 years ago, said, Revelation 11:9, "And they of the people and (tribes) and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and a half," This could only be accomplished with Satellite technology, a prophecy made 2000 years ago, come to pass.

How about this one revelation today from the Lord Jesus, who says to the whole world:

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

“All of you who are listening, listen! I am your Lord God, whom should you fear? I, the Almighty, whom should you dread? Remember, when I am by your side, you have nothing to fear, nothing to worry about, because I will save you from any danger if you trust in Me and consider Me as your salvation and eternal life. As your Lord, whom you will worship and none other, the one and only God who exists in heaven, earth, or the universe. I, who created everything, I, who gave you life, to whom will you go? If not to Me, then you have nowhere else to go."


"Remember, with Me, nothing is impossible. So, no matter what you ask for, even if it seems impossible to you, if it's for your own good, I won't withhold it from you. I won't deny your request. And remember, in My church, no one will stand up to explain the holy scriptures or lead people to explain them, and no one will stand as a pastor, because in My church, I alone am the Pastor who stands before you. Remember, when two or three people talk about Me without arguing, I am in their midst.”

"Remember, in My ministry or in My church, you are all equal, no one is high or low, no one is rich or poor, no one is short or tall, no one is disabled or healthy, you are all equal. Even if you are sick, you are still equal to those who are not, because you are all spiritually whole. Because what you feel is only in the flesh."

It's not a quote out of the Bible, but it does touch on many good points.

[OneJack]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #71]

If you're using the word notion to mean my opinion, it's NOT! The words come from the mouth of the Lord himself. John 14:28, "I go unto the Father:" Now, if you think Jesus is a liar, that's your problem, not mine.

Those words were copies of copies of endless copies of unearthed copies of scriptures under John’s name. They are not reliable since no one can testify to us the authenticity of those words ‘allegedly’ uttered by the Lord Jesus Christ through the Son of God. Also, the bible is not Jesus for you to claim that those words come from the mouth of the Lord himself hence the term ‘notion.’ No one knows Jesus, except His sheep [today], whom He shepherds simultaneously around the globe.

If you are His follower, you’l be quoting Him always by what you heard/hear/will hear and learned/learn/will learn from Him, who is real and forever living God of all across all generations. You’ll gonna see problems not in here but in the hereafter, for sure!

"ABSOLUTELY!"

When was the very first time the Holy Spirit came [to you] to teach you? How did He come to teach you? How did you know He’s the Holy Spirit?

Correct, "He is with us through his ambassador, the Holy Spirit.

That’s not what happened to Paul when He was called by Jesus. It was Jesus Himself, not the Holy Spirit, who spoke to Paul through a light and a voice while he was on His way to Damascus.

It means that when the Holy Spirit is sent, He will have that knowledge. And because he will teach us "ALL" things, he will give it to those who desire to know.

What you’re saying is clearly your speculation, unless you have a clear utterance from the Holy Spirit to support its accuracy.

All I can say is, read my post, go to my website, 'seekfirstwisdom" then tell me what you think. Of course, there is an old saying, "We cannot please everyone."

Sorry , but for as long as I see you always quoting from the bible to support your notion in any topic about God and salvation of our souls - you’re just a follower of the bible - a bibliolater as others coined it.

It's not a quote out of the Bible, but it does touch on many good points.

Yes, it’s a present-day utterance from the Lord Jesus Christ outside the bible. The Lord uttered that [to us] in October of 2001.

[Capbook]

How about this one revelation today from the Lord Jesus, who says to the whole world:

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

“All of you who are listening, listen! I am your Lord God, whom should you fear? I, the Almighty, whom should you dread? Remember, when I am by your side, you have nothing to fear, nothing to worry about, because I will save you from any danger if you trust in Me and consider Me as your salvation and eternal life. As your Lord, whom you will worship and none other, the one and only God who exists in heaven, earth, or the universe. I, who created everything, I, who gave you life, to whom will you go? If not to Me, then you have nowhere else to go."

"Remember, with Me, nothing is impossible. So, no matter what you ask for, even if it seems impossible to you, if it's for your own good, I won't withhold it from you. I won't deny your request. And remember, in My church, no one will stand up to explain the holy scriptures or lead people to explain them, and no one will stand as a pastor, because in My church, I alone am the Pastor who stands before you. Remember, when two or three people talk about Me without arguing, I am in their midst.”

"Remember, in My ministry or in My church, you are all equal, no one is high or low, no one is rich or poor, no one is short or tall, no one is disabled or healthy, you are all equal. Even if you are sick, you are still equal to those who are not, because you are all spiritually whole. Because what you feel is only in the flesh."

The Scriptures had been taught before Jesus was born, and had been the Holy Scriptures of Judaism.
Would that mean that what the Bible Jesus read from Scriptures are unreliable?
As you state that the Bible's messages doesn't matter to you.

Luk 24:44  Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." 
Luk 24:45  Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 

I told you already, the bible matters not as far as salvation is at stake. It is not a prerequisite to our salvation, which is only dependent on the living Christ Jesus alone.

To confirm, my question is about the words of our Bible Jesus in the Bible about salvation does it matter to you or not?

There is no ‘Bible Jesus’ but Jesus alone, real and forever living God the Almighty. The bible is just a book of testimonies to Jesus.

Ok, I'll rephrase my question, is the "words of Jesus" written in the Bible about our salvation does it matter to you or not?

[OneJack]

The Scriptures had been taught before Jesus was born, and had been the Holy Scriptures of Judaism.
Would that mean that what the Bible Jesus read from Scriptures are unreliable?
As you state that the Bible's messages doesn't matter to you.

Luk 24:44  Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." 
Luk 24:45  Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 

I told you already, the bible matters not as far as salvation is at stake. It is not a prerequisite to our salvation, which is only dependent on the living Christ Jesus alone.

To confirm, my question is about the words of our Bible Jesus in the Bible about salvation does it matter to you or not?

There is no ‘Bible Jesus’ but Jesus alone, real and forever living God the Almighty. The bible is just a book of testimonies to Jesus.

Ok, I'll rephrase my question, is the "words of Jesus" written in the Bible about our salvation does it matter to you or not?

Read this between the lines, brother Capbook,

The whole bible itself matters not when the salvation of our souls is at stake, so with intimately knowing God and Jesus. It’s Jesus Christ alone that matters the most, always!

[Capbook]

I told you already, the bible matters not as far as salvation is at stake. It is not a prerequisite to our salvation, which is only dependent on the living Christ Jesus alone.

To confirm, my question is about the words of our Bible Jesus in the Bible about salvation does it matter to you or not?

There is no ‘Bible Jesus’ but Jesus alone, real and forever living God the Almighty. The bible is just a book of testimonies to Jesus.

Ok, I'll rephrase my question, is the "words of Jesus" written in the Bible about our salvation does it matter to you or not?

Read this between the lines, brother Capbook,

The whole bible itself matters not when the salvation of our souls is at stake, so with intimately knowing God and Jesus. It’s Jesus Christ alone that matters the most, always!

So, the Bible, even the "words of Jesus" written in the Bible about mankind salvation just became unreliable just because of that someone comes to a group said so.
How would you explain the salvation to all those Christians, also your loved ones whom already passed away before that someone comes to your group? No salvation at all just because they did not hear your living someone?

[OneJack]

To confirm, my question is about the words of our Bible Jesus in the Bible about salvation does it matter to you or not?

There is no ‘Bible Jesus’ but Jesus alone, real and forever living God the Almighty. The bible is just a book of testimonies to Jesus.

Ok, I'll rephrase my question, is the "words of Jesus" written in the Bible about our salvation does it matter to you or not?

Read this between the lines, brother Capbook,

The whole bible itself matters not when the salvation of our souls is at stake, so with intimately knowing God and Jesus. It’s Jesus Christ alone that matters the most, always!

So, the Bible, even the "words of Jesus" written in the Bible about mankind salvation just became unreliable just because of that someone comes to a group said so.
How would you explain the salvation to all those Christians, also your loved ones whom already passed away before that someone comes to your group? No salvation at all just because they did not hear your living someone?

The bible is unreliable because it is not God. Have nothing to explain to anyone since God talks to all people all the time, but the latter seems not to notice always.

[Capbook]

There is no ‘Bible Jesus’ but Jesus alone, real and forever living God the Almighty. The bible is just a book of testimonies to Jesus.

Ok, I'll rephrase my question, is the "words of Jesus" written in the Bible about our salvation does it matter to you or not?

Read this between the lines, brother Capbook,

The whole bible itself matters not when the salvation of our souls is at stake, so with intimately knowing God and Jesus. It’s Jesus Christ alone that matters the most, always!

So, the Bible, even the "words of Jesus" written in the Bible about mankind salvation just became unreliable just because of that someone comes to a group said so.
How would you explain the salvation to all those Christians, also your loved ones whom already passed away before that someone comes to your group? No salvation at all just because they did not hear your living someone?

The bible is unreliable because it is not God. Have nothing to explain to anyone since God talks to all people all the time, but the latter seems not to notice always.

The author of the Scriptures, all that teaches and believers of the Scriptures and Bible whom died without hearing your living someone would mean no salvation to all of them? Have you realized that?

[OneJack]

Ok, I'll rephrase my question, is the "words of Jesus" written in the Bible about our salvation does it matter to you or not?

Read this between the lines, brother Capbook,

The whole bible itself matters not when the salvation of our souls is at stake, so with intimately knowing God and Jesus. It’s Jesus Christ alone that matters the most, always!

So, the Bible, even the "words of Jesus" written in the Bible about mankind salvation just became unreliable just because of that someone comes to a group said so.
How would you explain the salvation to all those Christians, also your loved ones whom already passed away before that someone comes to your group? No salvation at all just because they did not hear your living someone?

The bible is unreliable because it is not God. Have nothing to explain to anyone since God talks to all people all the time, but the latter seems not to notice always.

The author of the Scriptures, all that teaches and believers of the Scriptures and Bible whom died without hearing your living someone would mean no salvation to all of them? Have you realized that?

The good news is your eyes seem to be opening this time.

[Capbook]

Read this between the lines, brother Capbook,

The whole bible itself matters not when the salvation of our souls is at stake, so with intimately knowing God and Jesus. It’s Jesus Christ alone that matters the most, always!

So, the Bible, even the "words of Jesus" written in the Bible about mankind salvation just became unreliable just because of that someone comes to a group said so.
How would you explain the salvation to all those Christians, also your loved ones whom already passed away before that someone comes to your group? No salvation at all just because they did not hear your living someone?

The bible is unreliable because it is not God. Have nothing to explain to anyone since God talks to all people all the time, but the latter seems not to notice always.

The author of the Scriptures, all that teaches and believers of the Scriptures and Bible whom died without hearing your living someone would mean no salvation to all of them? Have you realized that?

The good news is your eyes seem to be opening this time.

Yes, I opened the idea that your living someone no love at all. And I believe you know who he is now.
Closing salvation to many generation of believers really is not God's character. It's just of that living someone you are obsessed to.

[OneJack]

So, the Bible, even the "words of Jesus" written in the Bible about mankind salvation just became unreliable just because of that someone comes to a group said so.
How would you explain the salvation to all those Christians, also your loved ones whom already passed away before that someone comes to your group? No salvation at all just because they did not hear your living someone?

The bible is unreliable because it is not God. Have nothing to explain to anyone since God talks to all people all the time, but the latter seems not to notice always.

The author of the Scriptures, all that teaches and believers of the Scriptures and Bible whom died without hearing your living someone would mean no salvation to all of them? Have you realized that?

The good news is your eyes seem to be opening this time.

Yes, I opened the idea that your living someone no love at all. And I believe you know who he is now.
Closing salvation to many generation of believers really is not God's character. It's just of that living someone you are obsessed to.

You’re not Jesus, brother Capbook! Stay foot where you are and allow Jesus to take care of our souls, will you?